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From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: Eduardo Valentin <eduardo.valentin@ti.com>
Cc: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org, wni@nvidia.com,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org, l.stach@pengutronix.de
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:45:21 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E98941.2090306@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51E9413C.2080007@ti.com>

On 07/19/2013 07:38 AM, Eduardo Valentin wrote:
> On 18-07-2013 17:11, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 09:53:05AM -0400, Eduardo Valentin
>> wrote:
>>> Hello Guenter,
>>> 
>>> On 17-07-2013 18:09, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:17:19AM -0400, Eduardo Valentin
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you noticed, I am working in a way to represent thermal
>>>>> data using device tree [1]. Essentially, this should be a
>>>>> way to say what to do with a sensor and how to associate
>>>>> (cooling) actions with it.
>>>>> 
>>>> Seems to me that goes way beyond the supposed scope of
>>>> devicetree data. Devicetree data is supposed to describe
>>>> hardware, not its configuration or use. This is clearly a use
>>>> case.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for rising your voice here. It is important to know what
>>> hwmon ppl think about this.
>>> 
>> Sorry, I don't know what ppl stands for.
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Guenter
>>> 
>>> As your answers to the series are giving same argument, I chose
>>> to answer on patch 0. I would be happier if you could elaborate
>>> a bit more on your concern, specially if you take hwmon cap
>>> here, and give your view with that perspective.
>>> 
>>> I also considered that this work could be abusing of DT
>>> purposes. But let me explain why I still think it makes sense
>>> to have it.
>>> 
>> Ultimately, you are making my point here. If you considered it,
>> did you ask devicetree experts for an opinion ? Did you discuss
>> the subject on the devicetree-discuss mailing list ? If so, what
>> was the result ?
> 
> Although I have asked, I didn't get any feedback. 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/11/760
> 
> But now I am requesting feedback in a formal (patch) way.
> 
> Consider this patch series as official request for (devicetree
> experts and everyone involved) opinions.

I might suggest (a) sending the email "To" the DT maintainer, rather
than just CC'ing him, (b) perhaps start a new thread just to present
the proposed DT binding, and get feedback on that. A thread with a new
subject like "[RFC] DT binding for thermal zones" might get more
attention than a patch submission; the subject line of this patch
doesn't stand much (since it implies to me it's more about build
issues than DT bindings even though it does mention DT).

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Stephen Warren <swarren-3lzwWm7+Weoh9ZMKESR00Q@public.gmane.org>
To: Eduardo Valentin <eduardo.valentin-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
Cc: wni-DDmLM1+adcrQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-pm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring-bsGFqQB8/DxBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
	lm-sensors-GZX6beZjE8VD60Wz+7aTrA@public.gmane.org,
	Grant Likely
	<grant.likely-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Guenter Roeck <linux-0h96xk9xTtrk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>,
	l.stach-bIcnvbaLZ9MEGnE8C9+IrQ@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 12:45:21 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E98941.2090306@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51E9413C.2080007-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>

On 07/19/2013 07:38 AM, Eduardo Valentin wrote:
> On 18-07-2013 17:11, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 09:53:05AM -0400, Eduardo Valentin
>> wrote:
>>> Hello Guenter,
>>> 
>>> On 17-07-2013 18:09, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:17:19AM -0400, Eduardo Valentin
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you noticed, I am working in a way to represent thermal
>>>>> data using device tree [1]. Essentially, this should be a
>>>>> way to say what to do with a sensor and how to associate
>>>>> (cooling) actions with it.
>>>>> 
>>>> Seems to me that goes way beyond the supposed scope of
>>>> devicetree data. Devicetree data is supposed to describe
>>>> hardware, not its configuration or use. This is clearly a use
>>>> case.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for rising your voice here. It is important to know what
>>> hwmon ppl think about this.
>>> 
>> Sorry, I don't know what ppl stands for.
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Guenter
>>> 
>>> As your answers to the series are giving same argument, I chose
>>> to answer on patch 0. I would be happier if you could elaborate
>>> a bit more on your concern, specially if you take hwmon cap
>>> here, and give your view with that perspective.
>>> 
>>> I also considered that this work could be abusing of DT
>>> purposes. But let me explain why I still think it makes sense
>>> to have it.
>>> 
>> Ultimately, you are making my point here. If you considered it,
>> did you ask devicetree experts for an opinion ? Did you discuss
>> the subject on the devicetree-discuss mailing list ? If so, what
>> was the result ?
> 
> Although I have asked, I didn't get any feedback. 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/11/760
> 
> But now I am requesting feedback in a formal (patch) way.
> 
> Consider this patch series as official request for (devicetree
> experts and everyone involved) opinions.

I might suggest (a) sending the email "To" the DT maintainer, rather
than just CC'ing him, (b) perhaps start a new thread just to present
the proposed DT binding, and get feedback on that. A thread with a new
subject like "[RFC] DT binding for thermal zones" might get more
attention than a patch submission; the subject line of this patch
doesn't stand much (since it implies to me it's more about build
issues than DT bindings even though it does mention DT).

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: Eduardo Valentin <eduardo.valentin@ti.com>
Cc: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org, wni@nvidia.com,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org, l.stach@pengutronix.de
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:45:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E98941.2090306@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51E9413C.2080007@ti.com>

On 07/19/2013 07:38 AM, Eduardo Valentin wrote:
> On 18-07-2013 17:11, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 09:53:05AM -0400, Eduardo Valentin
>> wrote:
>>> Hello Guenter,
>>> 
>>> On 17-07-2013 18:09, Guenter Roeck wrote:
>>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 11:17:19AM -0400, Eduardo Valentin
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As you noticed, I am working in a way to represent thermal
>>>>> data using device tree [1]. Essentially, this should be a
>>>>> way to say what to do with a sensor and how to associate
>>>>> (cooling) actions with it.
>>>>> 
>>>> Seems to me that goes way beyond the supposed scope of
>>>> devicetree data. Devicetree data is supposed to describe
>>>> hardware, not its configuration or use. This is clearly a use
>>>> case.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for rising your voice here. It is important to know what
>>> hwmon ppl think about this.
>>> 
>> Sorry, I don't know what ppl stands for.
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Guenter
>>> 
>>> As your answers to the series are giving same argument, I chose
>>> to answer on patch 0. I would be happier if you could elaborate
>>> a bit more on your concern, specially if you take hwmon cap
>>> here, and give your view with that perspective.
>>> 
>>> I also considered that this work could be abusing of DT
>>> purposes. But let me explain why I still think it makes sense
>>> to have it.
>>> 
>> Ultimately, you are making my point here. If you considered it,
>> did you ask devicetree experts for an opinion ? Did you discuss
>> the subject on the devicetree-discuss mailing list ? If so, what
>> was the result ?
> 
> Although I have asked, I didn't get any feedback. 
> https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/11/760
> 
> But now I am requesting feedback in a formal (patch) way.
> 
> Consider this patch series as official request for (devicetree
> experts and everyone involved) opinions.

I might suggest (a) sending the email "To" the DT maintainer, rather
than just CC'ing him, (b) perhaps start a new thread just to present
the proposed DT binding, and get feedback on that. A thread with a new
subject like "[RFC] DT binding for thermal zones" might get more
attention than a patch submission; the subject line of this patch
doesn't stand much (since it implies to me it's more about build
issues than DT bindings even though it does mention DT).

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Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-17 15:17 [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling' Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-25 23:28   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-25 23:28     ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-26 13:27     ` [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling' Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-26 13:27       ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-26 13:27       ` [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling' Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 2/9] thermal: hwmon: move hwmon support to single file Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 16:29   ` [lm-sensors] " R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 16:29     ` R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 16:29     ` R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 3/9] thermal: thermal_core: allow binding with limits on bind_params Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 16:25   ` [lm-sensors] " R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 16:25     ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 3/9] thermal: thermal_core: allow binding with limits on bind_para R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 16:25     ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 3/9] thermal: thermal_core: allow binding with limits on bind_params R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 4/9] arm: dts: flag omap4430 with needs-cooling for cpu node Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 5/9] thermal: introduce device tree parser Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 6/9] thermal: ti-soc-thermal: use thermal DT infrastructure Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 7/9] arm: dts: add omap4430 thermal data Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 8/9] hwmon: lm75: expose to thermal fw via DT nodes Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18  5:33   ` Wei Ni
2013-07-18  5:33     ` [lm-sensors] " Wei Ni
2013-07-18  5:33     ` Wei Ni
2013-07-18 13:12     ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 13:12       ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 13:12       ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19  7:43       ` Wei Ni
2013-07-19  7:43         ` [lm-sensors] " Wei Ni
2013-07-19  7:43         ` Wei Ni
2013-07-18  7:22   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18  7:22     ` [lm-sensors] " Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 9/9] hwmon: tmp102: " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18  7:23   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18  7:23     ` [lm-sensors] " Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:09 ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:09   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 13:53   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 13:53     ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 13:53     ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 17:18     ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-18 17:18       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-18 21:21       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 21:21         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-19 13:03         ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 13:03           ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 13:03           ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 18:48         ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-19 18:48           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-21 11:08           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-21 11:08             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-21 11:08             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-22 19:43             ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-22 19:43               ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-22 21:46               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-22 21:46                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 21:11     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 21:11       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 21:11       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-19 13:38       ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 13:38         ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 13:38         ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 18:45         ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2013-07-19 18:45           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-19 18:45           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-19 18:56           ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 18:56             ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 18:56             ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-21 10:14             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-21 10:14               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-21 10:14               ` Guenter Roeck

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