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From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Eduardo Valentin <eduardo.valentin@ti.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org, wni@nvidia.com,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org, l.stach@pengutronix.de
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 12:43:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51ED8B6F.6020700@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130721110807.GC24303@roeck-us.net>

On 07/21/2013 04:08 AM, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> ... [a bunch of good points re: why DT shouldn't describe thermal
> profiles]

Yes, lots of good arguments there.

So, where/how in your opinion should thermal profiles be defined, and
how should they get into the kernel? The nice thing about DT is that
it's a single place that describes the platform, with a well-defined
method of getting that information into the kernel. What alternatives exist?

> Other but related subject .. from a thermal / hwmon driver's perspective, if
> such a driver supports thermal subsystem, it should just register itself as
> thermal sensor device, because that is what it is. If and how it is tied to
> cooling devices should be part of the thermal subsystem and be decided there.

For audio, we have individual DT nodes that represent individual
audio-related components such as audio controllers, audio CODECs, etc.
We also have a "virtual" node that describes how those components
interact and create a complete sound card. Would it make sense to do
something similar with thermal sensors and cooling devices; represent
them all individually, have them register themselves with the
thermal/hwmon subsystem as you describe, but then have another "system
level" node that describes how the system designer intended them to
interact?

If you don't think so, how would the kernel represent and gain that
higher-level knowledge?

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From: Stephen Warren <swarren@wwwdotorg.org>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: Eduardo Valentin <eduardo.valentin@ti.com>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Rob Herring <rob.herring@calxeda.com>,
	devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org, wni@nvidia.com,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	lm-sensors@lm-sensors.org, l.stach@pengutronix.de
Subject: Re: [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2013 19:43:43 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51ED8B6F.6020700@wwwdotorg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130721110807.GC24303@roeck-us.net>

On 07/21/2013 04:08 AM, Guenter Roeck wrote:
> ... [a bunch of good points re: why DT shouldn't describe thermal
> profiles]

Yes, lots of good arguments there.

So, where/how in your opinion should thermal profiles be defined, and
how should they get into the kernel? The nice thing about DT is that
it's a single place that describes the platform, with a well-defined
method of getting that information into the kernel. What alternatives exist?

> Other but related subject .. from a thermal / hwmon driver's perspective, if
> such a driver supports thermal subsystem, it should just register itself as
> thermal sensor device, because that is what it is. If and how it is tied to
> cooling devices should be part of the thermal subsystem and be decided there.

For audio, we have individual DT nodes that represent individual
audio-related components such as audio controllers, audio CODECs, etc.
We also have a "virtual" node that describes how those components
interact and create a complete sound card. Would it make sense to do
something similar with thermal sensors and cooling devices; represent
them all individually, have them register themselves with the
thermal/hwmon subsystem as you describe, but then have another "system
level" node that describes how the system designer intended them to
interact?

If you don't think so, how would the kernel represent and gain that
higher-level knowledge?

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-22 19:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-17 15:17 [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling' Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-25 23:28   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-25 23:28     ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling Rafael J. Wysocki
2013-07-26 13:27     ` [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling' Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-26 13:27       ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-26 13:27       ` [RESEND PATCH V1 1/9] cpufreq: cpufreq-cpu0: add dt node parsing for 'needs-cooling' Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 2/9] thermal: hwmon: move hwmon support to single file Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 16:29   ` [lm-sensors] " R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 16:29     ` R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 16:29     ` R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 3/9] thermal: thermal_core: allow binding with limits on bind_params Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 16:25   ` [lm-sensors] " R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 16:25     ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 3/9] thermal: thermal_core: allow binding with limits on bind_para R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 16:25     ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 3/9] thermal: thermal_core: allow binding with limits on bind_params R, Durgadoss
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 4/9] arm: dts: flag omap4430 with needs-cooling for cpu node Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 5/9] thermal: introduce device tree parser Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 6/9] thermal: ti-soc-thermal: use thermal DT infrastructure Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 7/9] arm: dts: add omap4430 thermal data Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 8/9] hwmon: lm75: expose to thermal fw via DT nodes Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18  5:33   ` Wei Ni
2013-07-18  5:33     ` [lm-sensors] " Wei Ni
2013-07-18  5:33     ` Wei Ni
2013-07-18 13:12     ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 13:12       ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 13:12       ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19  7:43       ` Wei Ni
2013-07-19  7:43         ` [lm-sensors] " Wei Ni
2013-07-19  7:43         ` Wei Ni
2013-07-18  7:22   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18  7:22     ` [lm-sensors] " Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 15:17 ` [RESEND PATCH V1 9/9] hwmon: tmp102: " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` [lm-sensors] " Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-17 15:17   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18  7:23   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18  7:23     ` [lm-sensors] " Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:09 ` [lm-sensors] [RESEND PATCH V1 0/9] thermal: introduce DT thermal zone build Guenter Roeck
2013-07-17 22:09   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 13:53   ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 13:53     ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 13:53     ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-18 17:18     ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-18 17:18       ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-18 21:21       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 21:21         ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-19 13:03         ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 13:03           ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 13:03           ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 18:48         ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-19 18:48           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-21 11:08           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-21 11:08             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-21 11:08             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-22 19:43             ` Stephen Warren [this message]
2013-07-22 19:43               ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-22 21:46               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-22 21:46                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 21:11     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 21:11       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-18 21:11       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-19 13:38       ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 13:38         ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 13:38         ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 18:45         ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-19 18:45           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-19 18:45           ` Stephen Warren
2013-07-19 18:56           ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 18:56             ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-19 18:56             ` Eduardo Valentin
2013-07-21 10:14             ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-21 10:14               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-07-21 10:14               ` Guenter Roeck

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