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From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: "Jason Gunthorpe" <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>,
	"Sören Brinkmann" <soren.brinkmann@xilinx.com>
Cc: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Russell King" <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	"Pawel Moll" <pawel.moll@arm.com>,
	"Ian Campbell" <ijc+devicetree@hellion.org.uk>,
	"Michal Simek" <michal.simek@xilinx.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"Kumar Gala" <galak@codeaurora.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] ARM: zynq: DT: Add Ethernet phys
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:23:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5400C53D.70501@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140829173102.GA30917@obsidianresearch.com>

On 08/29/2014 10:31 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:35:36AM -0700, Sören Brinkmann wrote:
> 
>> The compatible string is listed as optional property for PHYs. So, not
>> having one is an option, I guess. But, I'd also prefer to at least keep
>> the -c22 one, since I saw problems when I tried using -c45 (the Zed phy
>> should support it...).
> 
> -c45 and -c22 use a completely different MDIO protocol, Zed doesn't
> have a 10GE port, so it certainly doesn't use -c45.

Most recent 1GbE PHYs should also implement clause 45. It is a nice
improvement if you are using lot of transactions, otherwise clause 45
over clause 22 is suitable and supported by the PHY library (for EEE in
particular).

> 
> If there is no compatible string at all the defined default is to use
> -c22.

Absolutely, the current binding makes that property optional, but I
think we should make it mandatory instead.

> 
>> Also, so far, we haven't had any phy nodes in our Zynq dts files and
>> Ethernet worked, so the auto-detection there works pretty well
>> apparently. But it may be problematic if more than a single PHY is on
>> the MDIO bus, I'd assume.
> 
> Phy autodetection has always worked in some cases, but for DT ethernet
> bindings it is expected that there is an option to specify an explicit
> MDIO bus, and a phy-handle phandle to point to the phy. The phy should
> be explicitly called out with the fixed MDIO address specified to
> avoid sketchy MDIO address auto probing.
> 
> This provides the framework to specify interrupts and register
> overrides for the phy in the DT.

Absolutely, on the plus side, avoiding auto-detection also allows you to
have a shorter boot time (usually by a factor of few hundreds of msecs
depending on how the MDIO buses handle errors).
--
Florian

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From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: "Jason Gunthorpe"
	<jgunthorpe-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>,
	"Sören Brinkmann"
	<soren.brinkmann-gjFFaj9aHVfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	"Mark Rutland" <mark.rutland-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<devicetree-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Russell King" <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"Pawel Moll" <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
	"Ian Campbell"
	<ijc+devicetree-KcIKpvwj1kUDXYZnReoRVg@public.gmane.org>,
	"Michal Simek"
	<michal.simek-gjFFaj9aHVfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Rob Herring" <robh+dt-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	"Kumar Gala" <galak-sgV2jX0FEOL9JmXXK+q4OQ@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] ARM: zynq: DT: Add Ethernet phys
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:23:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5400C53D.70501@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140829173102.GA30917-ePGOBjL8dl3ta4EC/59zMFaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>

On 08/29/2014 10:31 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:35:36AM -0700, Sören Brinkmann wrote:
> 
>> The compatible string is listed as optional property for PHYs. So, not
>> having one is an option, I guess. But, I'd also prefer to at least keep
>> the -c22 one, since I saw problems when I tried using -c45 (the Zed phy
>> should support it...).
> 
> -c45 and -c22 use a completely different MDIO protocol, Zed doesn't
> have a 10GE port, so it certainly doesn't use -c45.

Most recent 1GbE PHYs should also implement clause 45. It is a nice
improvement if you are using lot of transactions, otherwise clause 45
over clause 22 is suitable and supported by the PHY library (for EEE in
particular).

> 
> If there is no compatible string at all the defined default is to use
> -c22.

Absolutely, the current binding makes that property optional, but I
think we should make it mandatory instead.

> 
>> Also, so far, we haven't had any phy nodes in our Zynq dts files and
>> Ethernet worked, so the auto-detection there works pretty well
>> apparently. But it may be problematic if more than a single PHY is on
>> the MDIO bus, I'd assume.
> 
> Phy autodetection has always worked in some cases, but for DT ethernet
> bindings it is expected that there is an option to specify an explicit
> MDIO bus, and a phy-handle phandle to point to the phy. The phy should
> be explicitly called out with the fixed MDIO address specified to
> avoid sketchy MDIO address auto probing.
> 
> This provides the framework to specify interrupts and register
> overrides for the phy in the DT.

Absolutely, on the plus side, avoiding auto-detection also allows you to
have a shorter boot time (usually by a factor of few hundreds of msecs
depending on how the MDIO buses handle errors).
--
Florian
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From: f.fainelli@gmail.com (Florian Fainelli)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 3/3] ARM: zynq: DT: Add Ethernet phys
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:23:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5400C53D.70501@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140829173102.GA30917@obsidianresearch.com>

On 08/29/2014 10:31 AM, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 08:35:36AM -0700, S?ren Brinkmann wrote:
> 
>> The compatible string is listed as optional property for PHYs. So, not
>> having one is an option, I guess. But, I'd also prefer to at least keep
>> the -c22 one, since I saw problems when I tried using -c45 (the Zed phy
>> should support it...).
> 
> -c45 and -c22 use a completely different MDIO protocol, Zed doesn't
> have a 10GE port, so it certainly doesn't use -c45.

Most recent 1GbE PHYs should also implement clause 45. It is a nice
improvement if you are using lot of transactions, otherwise clause 45
over clause 22 is suitable and supported by the PHY library (for EEE in
particular).

> 
> If there is no compatible string at all the defined default is to use
> -c22.

Absolutely, the current binding makes that property optional, but I
think we should make it mandatory instead.

> 
>> Also, so far, we haven't had any phy nodes in our Zynq dts files and
>> Ethernet worked, so the auto-detection there works pretty well
>> apparently. But it may be problematic if more than a single PHY is on
>> the MDIO bus, I'd assume.
> 
> Phy autodetection has always worked in some cases, but for DT ethernet
> bindings it is expected that there is an option to specify an explicit
> MDIO bus, and a phy-handle phandle to point to the phy. The phy should
> be explicitly called out with the fixed MDIO address specified to
> avoid sketchy MDIO address auto probing.
> 
> This provides the framework to specify interrupts and register
> overrides for the phy in the DT.

Absolutely, on the plus side, avoiding auto-detection also allows you to
have a shorter boot time (usually by a factor of few hundreds of msecs
depending on how the MDIO buses handle errors).
--
Florian

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-29 18:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-20 15:56 [PATCH 1/3] ARM: zynq: DT: Fix Ethernet phy modes Soren Brinkmann
2014-08-20 15:56 ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-08-20 15:56 ` [PATCH 2/3] ARM: zynq: DT: Move size/address properties to dtsi Soren Brinkmann
2014-08-20 15:56   ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-08-20 16:00   ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-20 16:00     ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-21  8:42     ` Michal Simek
2014-08-21  8:42       ` Michal Simek
2014-08-21  8:42       ` Michal Simek
2014-08-20 15:56 ` [PATCH 3/3] ARM: zynq: DT: Add Ethernet phys Soren Brinkmann
2014-08-20 15:56   ` Soren Brinkmann
2014-08-21  8:41   ` Michal Simek
2014-08-21  8:41     ` Michal Simek
2014-08-21  8:41     ` Michal Simek
2014-08-21 11:32     ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-21 11:32       ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-21 15:49       ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-08-21 15:49         ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-08-21 15:49         ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-08-22 16:20         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-22 16:20           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-22 16:20           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-22 16:31           ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-08-22 16:31             ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-08-22 16:48             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-22 16:48               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-22 16:48               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-22 20:47         ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-22 20:47           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-22 20:47           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-25 17:46           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-25 17:46             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-25 17:46             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-25 20:21             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-25 20:21               ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-25 20:21               ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-29 14:08               ` Michal Simek
2014-08-29 14:08                 ` Michal Simek
2014-08-29 14:08                 ` Michal Simek
2014-08-29 15:18                 ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-29 15:18                   ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-29 15:35                   ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-08-29 15:35                     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-08-29 15:35                     ` Sören Brinkmann
2014-08-29 15:46                     ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-29 15:46                       ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-29 15:46                       ` Andreas Färber
2014-08-29 17:31                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-29 17:31                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-29 17:31                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-29 18:23                       ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2014-08-29 18:23                         ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-29 18:23                         ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-29 23:22                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-29 23:22                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-08-30  0:43                           ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-30  0:43                             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-30  0:43                             ` Florian Fainelli
2014-09-01 11:26                             ` Michal Simek
2014-09-01 11:26                               ` Michal Simek
2014-09-01 11:26                               ` Michal Simek
2014-08-22 20:42     ` Florian Fainelli
2014-08-21  8:42 ` [PATCH 1/3] ARM: zynq: DT: Fix Ethernet phy modes Michal Simek
2014-08-21  8:42   ` Michal Simek
2014-08-21  8:42   ` Michal Simek

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