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From: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:06:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56CD9CBD.5010106@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA-Y7rE_9CiOphgmae3FDApRznoBS7vsVN_+9hBqvAzEEA@mail.gmail.com>

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On 23/02/16 15:49, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 23 February 2016 at 12:45, Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com> wrote:
>> So, true, there's probing going on, but it's all board specific,
>> requiring a board specific driver to support it in the kernel. And I
>> think that makes the bootloader much better place for supporting it.
> 
> This doesn't seem to me like a reason to put the requirement
> in the bootloader. A huge part of the purpose of the kernel
> is to support the hardware (whether that's completely generic
> and probeable, like PCI, or generic but not probeable, or
> completely specific to a particular board). The kernel has to
> support the hardware, and just because it happens to be board
> specific hardware rather than generic hardware doesn't seem to
> me to imply that the kernel gets to drop part of its core purpose.

The thing here is, the kernel doesn't have to support the hardware (the
probing method). The kernel _has_ to support the display controller and
the panels, but the probing could as well be done in the bootloader. It
would work fine, and it would be a cleaner solution that what's being
proposed so far.

>> I think one of the core questions here is: do we want to start adding
>> board specific drivers to the kernel, instead of dealing with it in the
>> bootloader when possible? My understanding is that we've been trying to
>> reduce board specific code from the kernel.
> 
> I think there's a difference between "reduce board specific code
> in the kernel by replacing it with the combination of generic
> or parameterisable code in the kernel plus a kernel data structure
> (DT) that supplies the parameterisation needed", and "reduce
> board specific code in the kernel by forcing the bootloader to
> do the kernel's job for it".

Perhaps my phone background affects here, but I see the vendor provided
bootloader as the place for board specific custom solutions, and then
the kernel doesn't have to deal with those if at all possible.

With an open source generic bootloader like u-boot that doesn't exactly
hold, though, as the custom solutions will still pile up in a common
project.

Anyway, as discussed in the thread, I'm fine with having a kernel driver
for this, as the display boards for Versatile are an external device.

 Tomi


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From: tomi.valkeinen@ti.com (Tomi Valkeinen)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:06:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56CD9CBD.5010106@ti.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA-Y7rE_9CiOphgmae3FDApRznoBS7vsVN_+9hBqvAzEEA@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/02/16 15:49, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 23 February 2016 at 12:45, Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com> wrote:
>> So, true, there's probing going on, but it's all board specific,
>> requiring a board specific driver to support it in the kernel. And I
>> think that makes the bootloader much better place for supporting it.
> 
> This doesn't seem to me like a reason to put the requirement
> in the bootloader. A huge part of the purpose of the kernel
> is to support the hardware (whether that's completely generic
> and probeable, like PCI, or generic but not probeable, or
> completely specific to a particular board). The kernel has to
> support the hardware, and just because it happens to be board
> specific hardware rather than generic hardware doesn't seem to
> me to imply that the kernel gets to drop part of its core purpose.

The thing here is, the kernel doesn't have to support the hardware (the
probing method). The kernel _has_ to support the display controller and
the panels, but the probing could as well be done in the bootloader. It
would work fine, and it would be a cleaner solution that what's being
proposed so far.

>> I think one of the core questions here is: do we want to start adding
>> board specific drivers to the kernel, instead of dealing with it in the
>> bootloader when possible? My understanding is that we've been trying to
>> reduce board specific code from the kernel.
> 
> I think there's a difference between "reduce board specific code
> in the kernel by replacing it with the combination of generic
> or parameterisable code in the kernel plus a kernel data structure
> (DT) that supplies the parameterisation needed", and "reduce
> board specific code in the kernel by forcing the bootloader to
> do the kernel's job for it".

Perhaps my phone background affects here, but I see the vendor provided
bootloader as the place for board specific custom solutions, and then
the kernel doesn't have to deal with those if at all possible.

With an open source generic bootloader like u-boot that doesn't exactly
hold, though, as the custom solutions will still pile up in a common
project.

Anyway, as discussed in the thread, I'm fine with having a kernel driver
for this, as the display boards for Versatile are an external device.

 Tomi

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-24 12:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-04 14:04 [PATCH 00/11] CLCD Nomadik+Versatile support Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 01/11] video: ARM CLCD: backlight support for OF Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 02/11] video: ARM CLCD: support DT signal inversion flags Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 18:10   ` [02/11] " Ray Jui
2016-02-17 18:10     ` Ray Jui
2016-02-19  8:46     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-19  8:46       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-20  1:23       ` Ray Jui
2016-02-20  1:23         ` Ray Jui
2016-02-20 11:46         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-20 11:46           ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 03/11] video: ARM CLCD: support pads connected in reverse order Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 04/11] video: ARM CLCD: support Nomadik variant Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 05/11] video: ARM CLCD: add special board and panel hooks for Nomadik Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 06/11] Documentation/DT: add blurb for IB2 syscon to Versatile Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 07/11] Documentation/DT: add Versatile display bindings Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17  9:11   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:11     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 20:48     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-18 20:48       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 08/11] video: ARM CLCD: add special panel hook for Versatiles Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 09/11] ARM: PB11MPCore: define a standard VGA panel Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 10/11] ARM: PB1176: " Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17  9:09   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:09     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:41     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17  9:41       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17 16:17     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 16:17       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 21:32       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17 21:32         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 11:52         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 11:52           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 13:12           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 13:12             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 13:37             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 13:37               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 20:31               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-18 20:31                 ` Linus Walleij
     [not found]           ` <56C5B080.9090007-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-21 22:39             ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-21 22:39               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-21 22:39               ` Linus Walleij
     [not found]               ` <CACRpkdaXFUCR5=5mS28_4Dx_LfzqV13zwT=vVeJwuOzm_rGRBQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-22 15:41                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-22 15:41                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-22 15:41                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
     [not found]                   ` <56CB2C31.5040703-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-22 15:54                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-22 15:54                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-22 15:54                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:08   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:08     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23  9:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 10:10       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 10:10         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 11:22         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 11:22           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 13:00           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:00             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:16             ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:16               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:38               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:38                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 10:53                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 10:53                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:35                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:35                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 14:04                 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 14:04                   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 16:08                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-25 16:08                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-25 16:22                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:22                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:45                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 16:45                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 16:57                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:57                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 19:30                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 19:30                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-26 10:47                       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-26 10:47                         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-03-05 16:57                         ` Linus Walleij
2016-03-05 16:57                           ` Linus Walleij
2016-03-07  7:36                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-03-07  7:36                             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 19:32                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 19:32                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:58     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23  9:58       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 10:32       ` Adam Ford
2016-02-23 10:32         ` Adam Ford
2016-02-23 10:59         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 10:59           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 11:56       ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-23 11:56         ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-23 12:01         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-23 12:01           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-23 13:45           ` Tom Rini
2016-02-23 13:45             ` Tom Rini
2016-02-23 12:45         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 12:45           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:49           ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-23 13:49             ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-24 12:06             ` Tomi Valkeinen [this message]
2016-02-24 12:06               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 10:46           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 10:46             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:21             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:21               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:35               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:35                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:47                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:47                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 12:13               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-24 12:13                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 13:43                 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 13:43                   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 13:56                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 13:56                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 14:35                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 14:35                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 15:36                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 15:36                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 15:40                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 15:40                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 13:08         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:08           ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 00/11] CLCD Nomadik+Versatile support Linus Walleij
2016-02-15 23:34   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-16 13:29   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-16 13:29     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-16 22:30     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-16 22:30       ` Linus Walleij

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