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From: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:54:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACRpkdbO1+nWJOce8eC-G=tKrH3a2OEqQ-ro=LK88RhNrJ5cfQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56CB2C31.5040703-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org> wrote:

> After thinking this a bit and discussing it with Laurent P., generally
> speaking I still think that the only sane option is that the bootloader
> does any detection needed and provides the kernel a .dtb that contains
> the HW that is connected. No board specific drivers are needed on the
> kernel side.
>
> In some cases userspace loaded DT overlays may be fine, if the userspace
> can do the detection and the device in question is not somehow critical
> to operation. But I think displays are critical, and afaik in Versatile
> case the userspace can't even do the detection (?).
>
> The third option is to have board specific display handling code and the
> display HW data in the kernel, as you've done in the patches.

Yeah correct...

> But, of course, which option should be used for which board is not
> always clear...
>
> What bootloader is used on Versatile?

It's U-boot indeed. Not that I've tried to compile or use it, I got it
as binary from ARM.

> If it's some proprietary loader
> which can't be changed, then the bootloader option is out, and I guess
> it points to the third option, i.e. either the version in this patch or
> the earlier version. If it's u-boot, I would suggest going for the
> bootloader option.
>
> Afaik u-boot doesn't support combining DT fragments yet. But (also
> afaik) the u-boot maintainer is ok with the idea. And I know there are
> others (for example TI) interested in the same functionality.

Hm OK.... so the bootloader need to be better at augmenting device
trees than the kernel. Well... The problem is that there are a bunch
of deployed systems out there and they all need to have their boot loader
updated then, which may be OK since it's ARM development boards
but I don't know.

> Now, adding that support might take some time, and in the meantime it'd
> be good to get the HW working with kernel with a temporary solution. To
> do that, my suggestion is basically "any solution which requires no
> (temporary) changes to .dts".
>
> While I don't like too much the solution in the patch here, it's all
> inside kernel code and can be dropped easily, right? If we would merge
> the the multi-endpoint solution you had in the earlier patch, you would
> have to support that .dts in the future too.

To go with this solution I need to extend the drivers/of library to be
able to update properties properly instead of this hack, and that is
non-reversible if we start to use it.

It is not really an overlay because the DT stuff is dynamically
augmented by the kernel, not taken from somewhere else.

Yours,
Linus Walleij
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From: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:54:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACRpkdbO1+nWJOce8eC-G=tKrH3a2OEqQ-ro=LK88RhNrJ5cfQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56CB2C31.5040703@ti.com>

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com> wrote:

> After thinking this a bit and discussing it with Laurent P., generally
> speaking I still think that the only sane option is that the bootloader
> does any detection needed and provides the kernel a .dtb that contains
> the HW that is connected. No board specific drivers are needed on the
> kernel side.
>
> In some cases userspace loaded DT overlays may be fine, if the userspace
> can do the detection and the device in question is not somehow critical
> to operation. But I think displays are critical, and afaik in Versatile
> case the userspace can't even do the detection (?).
>
> The third option is to have board specific display handling code and the
> display HW data in the kernel, as you've done in the patches.

Yeah correct...

> But, of course, which option should be used for which board is not
> always clear...
>
> What bootloader is used on Versatile?

It's U-boot indeed. Not that I've tried to compile or use it, I got it
as binary from ARM.

> If it's some proprietary loader
> which can't be changed, then the bootloader option is out, and I guess
> it points to the third option, i.e. either the version in this patch or
> the earlier version. If it's u-boot, I would suggest going for the
> bootloader option.
>
> Afaik u-boot doesn't support combining DT fragments yet. But (also
> afaik) the u-boot maintainer is ok with the idea. And I know there are
> others (for example TI) interested in the same functionality.

Hm OK.... so the bootloader need to be better at augmenting device
trees than the kernel. Well... The problem is that there are a bunch
of deployed systems out there and they all need to have their boot loader
updated then, which may be OK since it's ARM development boards
but I don't know.

> Now, adding that support might take some time, and in the meantime it'd
> be good to get the HW working with kernel with a temporary solution. To
> do that, my suggestion is basically "any solution which requires no
> (temporary) changes to .dts".
>
> While I don't like too much the solution in the patch here, it's all
> inside kernel code and can be dropped easily, right? If we would merge
> the the multi-endpoint solution you had in the earlier patch, you would
> have to support that .dts in the future too.

To go with this solution I need to extend the drivers/of library to be
able to update properties properly instead of this hack, and that is
non-reversible if we start to use it.

It is not really an overlay because the DT stuff is dynamically
augmented by the kernel, not taken from somewhere else.

Yours,
Linus Walleij

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: linus.walleij@linaro.org (Linus Walleij)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:54:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACRpkdbO1+nWJOce8eC-G=tKrH3a2OEqQ-ro=LK88RhNrJ5cfQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56CB2C31.5040703@ti.com>

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com> wrote:

> After thinking this a bit and discussing it with Laurent P., generally
> speaking I still think that the only sane option is that the bootloader
> does any detection needed and provides the kernel a .dtb that contains
> the HW that is connected. No board specific drivers are needed on the
> kernel side.
>
> In some cases userspace loaded DT overlays may be fine, if the userspace
> can do the detection and the device in question is not somehow critical
> to operation. But I think displays are critical, and afaik in Versatile
> case the userspace can't even do the detection (?).
>
> The third option is to have board specific display handling code and the
> display HW data in the kernel, as you've done in the patches.

Yeah correct...

> But, of course, which option should be used for which board is not
> always clear...
>
> What bootloader is used on Versatile?

It's U-boot indeed. Not that I've tried to compile or use it, I got it
as binary from ARM.

> If it's some proprietary loader
> which can't be changed, then the bootloader option is out, and I guess
> it points to the third option, i.e. either the version in this patch or
> the earlier version. If it's u-boot, I would suggest going for the
> bootloader option.
>
> Afaik u-boot doesn't support combining DT fragments yet. But (also
> afaik) the u-boot maintainer is ok with the idea. And I know there are
> others (for example TI) interested in the same functionality.

Hm OK.... so the bootloader need to be better at augmenting device
trees than the kernel. Well... The problem is that there are a bunch
of deployed systems out there and they all need to have their boot loader
updated then, which may be OK since it's ARM development boards
but I don't know.

> Now, adding that support might take some time, and in the meantime it'd
> be good to get the HW working with kernel with a temporary solution. To
> do that, my suggestion is basically "any solution which requires no
> (temporary) changes to .dts".
>
> While I don't like too much the solution in the patch here, it's all
> inside kernel code and can be dropped easily, right? If we would merge
> the the multi-endpoint solution you had in the earlier patch, you would
> have to support that .dts in the future too.

To go with this solution I need to extend the drivers/of library to be
able to update properties properly instead of this hack, and that is
non-reversible if we start to use it.

It is not really an overlay because the DT stuff is dynamically
augmented by the kernel, not taken from somewhere else.

Yours,
Linus Walleij

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-22 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-04 14:04 [PATCH 00/11] CLCD Nomadik+Versatile support Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 01/11] video: ARM CLCD: backlight support for OF Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 02/11] video: ARM CLCD: support DT signal inversion flags Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 18:10   ` [02/11] " Ray Jui
2016-02-17 18:10     ` Ray Jui
2016-02-19  8:46     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-19  8:46       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-20  1:23       ` Ray Jui
2016-02-20  1:23         ` Ray Jui
2016-02-20 11:46         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-20 11:46           ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 03/11] video: ARM CLCD: support pads connected in reverse order Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 04/11] video: ARM CLCD: support Nomadik variant Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 05/11] video: ARM CLCD: add special board and panel hooks for Nomadik Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 06/11] Documentation/DT: add blurb for IB2 syscon to Versatile Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 07/11] Documentation/DT: add Versatile display bindings Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17  9:11   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:11     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 20:48     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-18 20:48       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 08/11] video: ARM CLCD: add special panel hook for Versatiles Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 09/11] ARM: PB11MPCore: define a standard VGA panel Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 10/11] ARM: PB1176: " Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17  9:09   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:09     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:41     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17  9:41       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17 16:17     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 16:17       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 21:32       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17 21:32         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 11:52         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 11:52           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 13:12           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 13:12             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 13:37             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 13:37               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 20:31               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-18 20:31                 ` Linus Walleij
     [not found]           ` <56C5B080.9090007-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-21 22:39             ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-21 22:39               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-21 22:39               ` Linus Walleij
     [not found]               ` <CACRpkdaXFUCR5=5mS28_4Dx_LfzqV13zwT=vVeJwuOzm_rGRBQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-22 15:41                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-22 15:41                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-22 15:41                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
     [not found]                   ` <56CB2C31.5040703-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-22 15:54                     ` Linus Walleij [this message]
2016-02-22 15:54                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-22 15:54                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:08   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:08     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23  9:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 10:10       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 10:10         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 11:22         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 11:22           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 13:00           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:00             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:16             ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:16               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:38               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:38                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 10:53                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 10:53                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:35                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:35                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 14:04                 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 14:04                   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 16:08                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-25 16:08                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-25 16:22                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:22                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:45                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 16:45                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 16:57                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:57                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 19:30                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 19:30                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-26 10:47                       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-26 10:47                         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-03-05 16:57                         ` Linus Walleij
2016-03-05 16:57                           ` Linus Walleij
2016-03-07  7:36                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-03-07  7:36                             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 19:32                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 19:32                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:58     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23  9:58       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 10:32       ` Adam Ford
2016-02-23 10:32         ` Adam Ford
2016-02-23 10:59         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 10:59           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 11:56       ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-23 11:56         ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-23 12:01         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-23 12:01           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-23 13:45           ` Tom Rini
2016-02-23 13:45             ` Tom Rini
2016-02-23 12:45         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 12:45           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:49           ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-23 13:49             ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-24 12:06             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 12:06               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 10:46           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 10:46             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:21             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:21               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:35               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:35                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:47                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:47                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 12:13               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-24 12:13                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 13:43                 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 13:43                   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 13:56                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 13:56                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 14:35                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 14:35                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 15:36                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 15:36                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 15:40                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 15:40                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 13:08         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:08           ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 00/11] CLCD Nomadik+Versatile support Linus Walleij
2016-02-15 23:34   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-16 13:29   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-16 13:29     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-16 22:30     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-16 22:30       ` Linus Walleij

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