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From: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:56:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA9U3V04o2_93bS5G7+k=UT7kTWt4=v7t1Ju0X9W=5oo9A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56CC2D39.80909@ti.com>

On 23 February 2016 at 09:58, Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com> wrote:
> I'm not quite sure how it works if, as in versatile display case, there
> are multiple DT overlays of which one has to be enabled. I hope there's
> support to choose which one to use via kernel cmdline or similar.
>
> I would personally like it much more if the bootloader would either
> compose a final dtb from DT fragments and pass it to the kernel, or
> alternatively the bootloader would pass the base dtb image and a bunch
> of DT overlays to the kernel, and the kernel would deal with the DT
> overlays.

Speaking as somebody who's written the "bootloader" code that's
used for what I guess are the majority of versatile kernel boots,
i.e. the one in QEMU, I think that requiring the bootloader to do this
would be a significant worsening from the current state.

Right now the bootloader doesn't need to do much at all with device
trees, except pass the kernel the DT that the user gave us, which
is just the kernel's own data structures in a separate file for
convenience. You need to do some very minor tweaks to the /chosen
node, but these can be handled the same way for any board and aren't
hardware specific. There's no need to worry about dt fragments
either for the bootloader or for the user. Imposing a new requirement
for the bootloader to have to probe hardware which it otherwise
has no need to even care about, and then edit and update the DT
in a board-specific manner, or have board-specific DT fragments,
seems like a totally unnecessary imposition on both bootloader
authors and end-users, and of course it would break booting newer
kernels on the great mass of already existing boot loaders and
QEMU installs.

The kernel is in a position to probe the display hardware and determine
what is there, and do the right thing, and that's exactly what it
does today. The kernel should continue to do this.
The advantage of DT is that it allows moving information about
non-probeable hardware that was previously hardwired in the kernel
C sources into a separate data structure, but the versatile displays
are not non-probeable. I can see no benefit at all from hardwiring into
the dt something which the kernel has previously been successfully
dynamically getting right without any bootloader intervention -- it just
makes the kernel less flexible and less user-friendly.

thanks
-- PMM

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: peter.maydell@linaro.org (Peter Maydell)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:56:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA9U3V04o2_93bS5G7+k=UT7kTWt4=v7t1Ju0X9W=5oo9A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56CC2D39.80909@ti.com>

On 23 February 2016 at 09:58, Tomi Valkeinen <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com> wrote:
> I'm not quite sure how it works if, as in versatile display case, there
> are multiple DT overlays of which one has to be enabled. I hope there's
> support to choose which one to use via kernel cmdline or similar.
>
> I would personally like it much more if the bootloader would either
> compose a final dtb from DT fragments and pass it to the kernel, or
> alternatively the bootloader would pass the base dtb image and a bunch
> of DT overlays to the kernel, and the kernel would deal with the DT
> overlays.

Speaking as somebody who's written the "bootloader" code that's
used for what I guess are the majority of versatile kernel boots,
i.e. the one in QEMU, I think that requiring the bootloader to do this
would be a significant worsening from the current state.

Right now the bootloader doesn't need to do much at all with device
trees, except pass the kernel the DT that the user gave us, which
is just the kernel's own data structures in a separate file for
convenience. You need to do some very minor tweaks to the /chosen
node, but these can be handled the same way for any board and aren't
hardware specific. There's no need to worry about dt fragments
either for the bootloader or for the user. Imposing a new requirement
for the bootloader to have to probe hardware which it otherwise
has no need to even care about, and then edit and update the DT
in a board-specific manner, or have board-specific DT fragments,
seems like a totally unnecessary imposition on both bootloader
authors and end-users, and of course it would break booting newer
kernels on the great mass of already existing boot loaders and
QEMU installs.

The kernel is in a position to probe the display hardware and determine
what is there, and do the right thing, and that's exactly what it
does today. The kernel should continue to do this.
The advantage of DT is that it allows moving information about
non-probeable hardware that was previously hardwired in the kernel
C sources into a separate data structure, but the versatile displays
are not non-probeable. I can see no benefit at all from hardwiring into
the dt something which the kernel has previously been successfully
dynamically getting right without any bootloader intervention -- it just
makes the kernel less flexible and less user-friendly.

thanks
-- PMM

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-02-23 11:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 145+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-04 14:04 [PATCH 00/11] CLCD Nomadik+Versatile support Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 01/11] video: ARM CLCD: backlight support for OF Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 02/11] video: ARM CLCD: support DT signal inversion flags Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 18:10   ` [02/11] " Ray Jui
2016-02-17 18:10     ` Ray Jui
2016-02-19  8:46     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-19  8:46       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-20  1:23       ` Ray Jui
2016-02-20  1:23         ` Ray Jui
2016-02-20 11:46         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-20 11:46           ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 03/11] video: ARM CLCD: support pads connected in reverse order Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 04/11] video: ARM CLCD: support Nomadik variant Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 05/11] video: ARM CLCD: add special board and panel hooks for Nomadik Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 06/11] Documentation/DT: add blurb for IB2 syscon to Versatile Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 07/11] Documentation/DT: add Versatile display bindings Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17  9:11   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:11     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 20:48     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-18 20:48       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 08/11] video: ARM CLCD: add special panel hook for Versatiles Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 09/11] ARM: PB11MPCore: define a standard VGA panel Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 10/11] ARM: PB1176: " Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04 ` [PATCH 11/11] ARM: versatile: move CLCD configuration to device tree Linus Walleij
2016-02-04 14:04   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17  9:09   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:09     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-17  9:41     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17  9:41       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17 16:17     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 16:17       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-17 21:32       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-17 21:32         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 11:52         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 11:52           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 13:12           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 13:12             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-18 13:37             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 13:37               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-18 20:31               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-18 20:31                 ` Linus Walleij
     [not found]           ` <56C5B080.9090007-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-21 22:39             ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-21 22:39               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-21 22:39               ` Linus Walleij
     [not found]               ` <CACRpkdaXFUCR5=5mS28_4Dx_LfzqV13zwT=vVeJwuOzm_rGRBQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-22 15:41                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-22 15:41                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-22 15:41                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
     [not found]                   ` <56CB2C31.5040703-l0cyMroinI0@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-22 15:54                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-22 15:54                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-22 15:54                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:08   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:08     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:34     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23  9:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 10:10       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 10:10         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 11:22         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 11:22           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-23 13:00           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:00             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:16             ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:16               ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:38               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:38                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 10:53                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 10:53                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:35                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:35                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 14:04                 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 14:04                   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 16:08                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-25 16:08                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-02-25 16:22                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:22                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:45                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 16:45                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 16:57                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 16:57                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-25 19:30                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 19:30                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-26 10:47                       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-26 10:47                         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-03-05 16:57                         ` Linus Walleij
2016-03-05 16:57                           ` Linus Walleij
2016-03-07  7:36                           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-03-07  7:36                             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 19:32                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 19:32                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23  9:58     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23  9:58       ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 10:32       ` Adam Ford
2016-02-23 10:32         ` Adam Ford
2016-02-23 10:59         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 10:59           ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 11:56       ` Peter Maydell [this message]
2016-02-23 11:56         ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-23 12:01         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-23 12:01           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-23 13:45           ` Tom Rini
2016-02-23 13:45             ` Tom Rini
2016-02-23 12:45         ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 12:45           ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-23 13:49           ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-23 13:49             ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-24 12:06             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 12:06               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 10:46           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 10:46             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:21             ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:21               ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:35               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:35                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-02-24 11:47                 ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 11:47                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-24 12:13               ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-24 12:13                 ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 13:43                 ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 13:43                   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 13:56                   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 13:56                     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-25 14:35                   ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 14:35                     ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 15:36                     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 15:36                       ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-25 15:40                       ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-25 15:40                         ` Pantelis Antoniou
2016-02-23 13:08         ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-23 13:08           ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-15 23:34 ` [PATCH 00/11] CLCD Nomadik+Versatile support Linus Walleij
2016-02-15 23:34   ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-16 13:29   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-16 13:29     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-02-16 22:30     ` Linus Walleij
2016-02-16 22:30       ` Linus Walleij

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