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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: piliu <piliu@redhat.com>
Cc: Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Hari Bathini <hbathini@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:21:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66b0cb1a-d63a-2720-19cf-3d8efcd02fde@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9725d779-e0de-2d8d-8716-22df3e791820@redhat.com>

Hi Dave, Pingfan,

On 02/04/2020 07:12, piliu wrote:
> On 04/02/2020 01:49 PM, Dave Young wrote:
>> On 03/26/20 at 06:07pm, James Morse wrote:
>>> Memory added to the system by hotplug has a 'System RAM' resource created
>>> for it. This is exposed to user-space via /proc/iomem.
>>>
>>> This poses problems for kexec on arm64. If kexec decides to place the
>>> kernel in one of these newly onlined regions, the new kernel will find
>>> itself booting from a region not described as memory in the firmware
>>> tables.
>>>
>>> Arm64 doesn't have a structure like the e820 memory map that can be
>>> re-written when memory is brought online. Instead arm64 uses the UEFI
>>> memory map, or the memory node from the DT, sometimes both. We never
>>> rewrite these.
>>
>> Could arm64 use similar way to update DT, or a cooked UEFI maps?

>> Add pingfan in cc, he said ppc64 update the DT after a memremove thus it
>> would be good to just redo a kexec load.

> Yes, the memory changes will be observed through device-node under
> /proc/device-tree/ (which is for powerpc).
> 
> Later if running kexec -l/-p , it can build new dtb with the latest info
> from /proc/device-tree
For arm64, the device-tree is set in stone. We don't have the runtime parts of
open-firmware that powerpc does. (my knowledge in this area is extremely sparse)
arm64 platforms where stuff like this changes tend to use ACPI instead, and these all have
to boot with UEFI, which means its the UEFI memory map that has authority.

We don't cook a fake UEFI memory map when things change because we treat it like the
set-in-stone DT. This means we only have discrepancies in firmware to workaround, instead
of any we introduce ourselves.

One of the UEFI configuration tables describes addresses Linux programmed into hardware
that can't be reset. Newer versions of Linux know how to pick these up on kexec... but
older versions don't know how to parse/rewrite/move that table. Cooking up new versions of
these tables would prevent us doing stuff like this, which we need to workaround hardware
that didn't get the 'kexec exists' memo.


Thanks,

James


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: piliu <piliu@redhat.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Hari Bathini <hbathini@linux.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:21:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66b0cb1a-d63a-2720-19cf-3d8efcd02fde@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9725d779-e0de-2d8d-8716-22df3e791820@redhat.com>

Hi Dave, Pingfan,

On 02/04/2020 07:12, piliu wrote:
> On 04/02/2020 01:49 PM, Dave Young wrote:
>> On 03/26/20 at 06:07pm, James Morse wrote:
>>> Memory added to the system by hotplug has a 'System RAM' resource created
>>> for it. This is exposed to user-space via /proc/iomem.
>>>
>>> This poses problems for kexec on arm64. If kexec decides to place the
>>> kernel in one of these newly onlined regions, the new kernel will find
>>> itself booting from a region not described as memory in the firmware
>>> tables.
>>>
>>> Arm64 doesn't have a structure like the e820 memory map that can be
>>> re-written when memory is brought online. Instead arm64 uses the UEFI
>>> memory map, or the memory node from the DT, sometimes both. We never
>>> rewrite these.
>>
>> Could arm64 use similar way to update DT, or a cooked UEFI maps?

>> Add pingfan in cc, he said ppc64 update the DT after a memremove thus it
>> would be good to just redo a kexec load.

> Yes, the memory changes will be observed through device-node under
> /proc/device-tree/ (which is for powerpc).
> 
> Later if running kexec -l/-p , it can build new dtb with the latest info
> from /proc/device-tree
For arm64, the device-tree is set in stone. We don't have the runtime parts of
open-firmware that powerpc does. (my knowledge in this area is extremely sparse)
arm64 platforms where stuff like this changes tend to use ACPI instead, and these all have
to boot with UEFI, which means its the UEFI memory map that has authority.

We don't cook a fake UEFI memory map when things change because we treat it like the
set-in-stone DT. This means we only have discrepancies in firmware to workaround, instead
of any we introduce ourselves.

One of the UEFI configuration tables describes addresses Linux programmed into hardware
that can't be reset. Newer versions of Linux know how to pick these up on kexec... but
older versions don't know how to parse/rewrite/move that table. Cooking up new versions of
these tables would prevent us doing stuff like this, which we need to workaround hardware
that didn't get the 'kexec exists' memo.


Thanks,

James

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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: piliu <piliu@redhat.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Eric Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Hari Bathini <hbathini@linux.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Young <dyoung@redhat.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:21:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66b0cb1a-d63a-2720-19cf-3d8efcd02fde@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9725d779-e0de-2d8d-8716-22df3e791820@redhat.com>

Hi Dave, Pingfan,

On 02/04/2020 07:12, piliu wrote:
> On 04/02/2020 01:49 PM, Dave Young wrote:
>> On 03/26/20 at 06:07pm, James Morse wrote:
>>> Memory added to the system by hotplug has a 'System RAM' resource created
>>> for it. This is exposed to user-space via /proc/iomem.
>>>
>>> This poses problems for kexec on arm64. If kexec decides to place the
>>> kernel in one of these newly onlined regions, the new kernel will find
>>> itself booting from a region not described as memory in the firmware
>>> tables.
>>>
>>> Arm64 doesn't have a structure like the e820 memory map that can be
>>> re-written when memory is brought online. Instead arm64 uses the UEFI
>>> memory map, or the memory node from the DT, sometimes both. We never
>>> rewrite these.
>>
>> Could arm64 use similar way to update DT, or a cooked UEFI maps?

>> Add pingfan in cc, he said ppc64 update the DT after a memremove thus it
>> would be good to just redo a kexec load.

> Yes, the memory changes will be observed through device-node under
> /proc/device-tree/ (which is for powerpc).
> 
> Later if running kexec -l/-p , it can build new dtb with the latest info
> from /proc/device-tree
For arm64, the device-tree is set in stone. We don't have the runtime parts of
open-firmware that powerpc does. (my knowledge in this area is extremely sparse)
arm64 platforms where stuff like this changes tend to use ACPI instead, and these all have
to boot with UEFI, which means its the UEFI memory map that has authority.

We don't cook a fake UEFI memory map when things change because we treat it like the
set-in-stone DT. This means we only have discrepancies in firmware to workaround, instead
of any we introduce ourselves.

One of the UEFI configuration tables describes addresses Linux programmed into hardware
that can't be reset. Newer versions of Linux know how to pick these up on kexec... but
older versions don't know how to parse/rewrite/move that table. Cooking up new versions of
these tables would prevent us doing stuff like this, which we need to workaround hardware
that didn't get the 'kexec exists' memo.


Thanks,

James

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Thread overview: 264+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-26 18:07 [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  0:43   ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  0:43     ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  2:54     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:54       ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:46     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:46       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:34   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:34     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  9:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 16:56     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 16:56       ` James Morse
2020-03-27 17:06       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 17:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:07         ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:07           ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:52           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:52             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:00             ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:00               ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:13               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:13                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17                 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17                   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 18:14                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 18:14                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-10 19:10                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-11  3:44                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  9:30                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:58                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-12  5:35                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  8:08                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12 19:52                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 20:37                                 ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-13  2:37                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13 13:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 23:01                                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-14  6:13                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:40                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  8:00                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:22                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:37                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:39                                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:49                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15  2:35                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 13:31                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:02                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:09                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:36                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:47                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:59                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:17                                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:16                                     ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  7:05                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 16:55                         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:41                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:33   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:28     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:25       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 16:40         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-23 16:29           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-24  7:39             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-01 16:55           ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:39     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:39       ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:23       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17         ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17           ` James Morse
2020-04-02  5:49   ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  6:12     ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-14 17:21       ` James Morse [this message]
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-15 20:36   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-05-09  0:45   ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-11  8:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] arm64: memory: Give hotplug memory a different resource name James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 19:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 19:01     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:37   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:11 ` [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:11   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:40   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:40     ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:27   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:42   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:42     ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:18       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:55 ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 13:55   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 17:17   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17     ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:46     ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:46       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14 17:31       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:38 ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:38   ` Dave Young
2020-04-15 20:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14   ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 13:04     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:40       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse

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