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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 09:41:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d18cfd1e-bff2-47b6-cf4d-52d0de92002e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ca41c5f-4cbf-342c-528a-d274c4e2ca10@redhat.com>

On 24.04.20 09:39, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 23.04.20 18:29, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>>> The confusing part was talking about memory being still in use,
>>>> that is actually scheduled for use in the future.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Usually somewhere in the loaded image
>>>>>> is a copy of the memory map at the time the kexec kernel was loaded.
>>>>>> That will invalidate the memory map as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, unconditionally. Sure, x86 needs this.
>>>>> (arm64 re-discovers the memory map from firmware tables after kexec)
>>>
>>> Does this include hotplugged DIMMs e.g., under KVM?
>>> [...]
>>
>> As far as I know.  If the memory map changes we need to drop the loaded
>> image.
>>
>>
>> Having thought about it a little more I suspect it would be the
>> other way and just block all hotplug actions after a kexec_load.
>> As all we expect to happen is running shutdown scripts.
>>
>> If blocking the hotplug action uses printk to print a nice message
>> saying something like: "Hotplug blocked because of a loaded kexec image",
>> then people will be able to figure out what is going on and
>> call kexec -u if they haven't started the shutdown scripts yet.
>>
>>
>> Either way it is something simple and unconditional that will make
>> things work.
>>
> 
> Personally, I consider memory hotplug more important than keeping loaded
> kexec data alive (just because somebody once decided to do a "kexec -l"
> and never did a "kexec -e" we should not block any memory hot(un)plug -
> especially in virtualized environments - for all eternity).
> 
> So IMHO we would invalidate loaded kexec data (not the crashkernel, of
> course) on memory hot(un)plug and print a warning. In addition, we can
> let kexec-tools try to reload whatever they loaded after getting
> notified that something changed.
> 
> The "something changed" is visible to user space e.g., via udev events
> for /sys/devices/memory/memoryX/

/sys/devices/system/memory/memoryX/ ...


-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb



WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 09:41:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d18cfd1e-bff2-47b6-cf4d-52d0de92002e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ca41c5f-4cbf-342c-528a-d274c4e2ca10@redhat.com>

On 24.04.20 09:39, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 23.04.20 18:29, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>>> The confusing part was talking about memory being still in use,
>>>> that is actually scheduled for use in the future.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Usually somewhere in the loaded image
>>>>>> is a copy of the memory map at the time the kexec kernel was loaded.
>>>>>> That will invalidate the memory map as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, unconditionally. Sure, x86 needs this.
>>>>> (arm64 re-discovers the memory map from firmware tables after kexec)
>>>
>>> Does this include hotplugged DIMMs e.g., under KVM?
>>> [...]
>>
>> As far as I know.  If the memory map changes we need to drop the loaded
>> image.
>>
>>
>> Having thought about it a little more I suspect it would be the
>> other way and just block all hotplug actions after a kexec_load.
>> As all we expect to happen is running shutdown scripts.
>>
>> If blocking the hotplug action uses printk to print a nice message
>> saying something like: "Hotplug blocked because of a loaded kexec image",
>> then people will be able to figure out what is going on and
>> call kexec -u if they haven't started the shutdown scripts yet.
>>
>>
>> Either way it is something simple and unconditional that will make
>> things work.
>>
> 
> Personally, I consider memory hotplug more important than keeping loaded
> kexec data alive (just because somebody once decided to do a "kexec -l"
> and never did a "kexec -e" we should not block any memory hot(un)plug -
> especially in virtualized environments - for all eternity).
> 
> So IMHO we would invalidate loaded kexec data (not the crashkernel, of
> course) on memory hot(un)plug and print a warning. In addition, we can
> let kexec-tools try to reload whatever they loaded after getting
> notified that something changed.
> 
> The "something changed" is visible to user space e.g., via udev events
> for /sys/devices/memory/memoryX/

/sys/devices/system/memory/memoryX/ ...


-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Bhupesh Sharma <bhsharma@redhat.com>,
	kexec@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 09:41:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d18cfd1e-bff2-47b6-cf4d-52d0de92002e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ca41c5f-4cbf-342c-528a-d274c4e2ca10@redhat.com>

On 24.04.20 09:39, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 23.04.20 18:29, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>>> The confusing part was talking about memory being still in use,
>>>> that is actually scheduled for use in the future.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Usually somewhere in the loaded image
>>>>>> is a copy of the memory map at the time the kexec kernel was loaded.
>>>>>> That will invalidate the memory map as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, unconditionally. Sure, x86 needs this.
>>>>> (arm64 re-discovers the memory map from firmware tables after kexec)
>>>
>>> Does this include hotplugged DIMMs e.g., under KVM?
>>> [...]
>>
>> As far as I know.  If the memory map changes we need to drop the loaded
>> image.
>>
>>
>> Having thought about it a little more I suspect it would be the
>> other way and just block all hotplug actions after a kexec_load.
>> As all we expect to happen is running shutdown scripts.
>>
>> If blocking the hotplug action uses printk to print a nice message
>> saying something like: "Hotplug blocked because of a loaded kexec image",
>> then people will be able to figure out what is going on and
>> call kexec -u if they haven't started the shutdown scripts yet.
>>
>>
>> Either way it is something simple and unconditional that will make
>> things work.
>>
> 
> Personally, I consider memory hotplug more important than keeping loaded
> kexec data alive (just because somebody once decided to do a "kexec -l"
> and never did a "kexec -e" we should not block any memory hot(un)plug -
> especially in virtualized environments - for all eternity).
> 
> So IMHO we would invalidate loaded kexec data (not the crashkernel, of
> course) on memory hot(un)plug and print a warning. In addition, we can
> let kexec-tools try to reload whatever they loaded after getting
> notified that something changed.
> 
> The "something changed" is visible to user space e.g., via udev events
> for /sys/devices/memory/memoryX/

/sys/devices/system/memory/memoryX/ ...


-- 
Thanks,

David / dhildenb


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Thread overview: 264+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-26 18:07 [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 1/3] kexec: Prevent removal of memory in use by a loaded kexec image James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  0:43   ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  0:43     ` Anshuman Khandual
2020-03-27  2:54     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:54       ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:46     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:46       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:34   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:34     ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27  9:30   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 16:56     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 16:56       ` James Morse
2020-03-27 17:06       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 17:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:07         ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:07           ` James Morse
2020-03-27 18:52           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 18:52             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:00             ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:00               ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:13               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:13                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17                 ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17                   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 18:14                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 18:14                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-10 19:10                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-10 19:10                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-11  3:44                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  3:44                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-11  9:30                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:30                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-11  9:58                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-11  9:58                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-12  5:35                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  5:35                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-12  8:08                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12  8:08                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-04-12 19:52                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 19:52                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-12 20:37                                 ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-12 20:37                                   ` Bhupesh SHARMA
2020-04-13  2:37                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13  2:37                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-13 13:15                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 13:15                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-13 23:01                                     ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-13 23:01                                       ` Andrew Morton
2020-04-14  6:13                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:13                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-14  6:40                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:40                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  6:51                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  8:00                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  8:00                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:22                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:22                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:37                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  9:37                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:39                                             ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:39                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14 14:49                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 14:49                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15  2:35                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-15  2:35                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 13:31                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 13:31                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:02                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:02                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:09                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:09                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:36                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:36                                                           ` Baoquan He
2020-04-16 14:47                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-16 14:47                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:29                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:57                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 13:59                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 13:59                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-21 14:30                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:17                                                               ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:17                                                                 ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:24                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                   ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22  9:57                                                                     ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:05                                                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                       ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-22 10:36                                                                         ` Baoquan He
2020-04-14  9:16                                     ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:16                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  9:38                                         ` Dave Young
2020-04-14  7:05                       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14  7:05                         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 16:55                         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 16:55                           ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:41                           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-14 17:41                             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:33   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:28     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:28       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:25       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 16:40         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-22 16:40           ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-23 16:29           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-23 16:29             ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-24  7:39             ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:39               ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41               ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-24  7:41                 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-01 16:55           ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-05-01 16:55             ` James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/memory_hotplug: Allow arch override of non boot memory resource names James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:59     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:39     ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:39       ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:23       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:23         ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 17:17         ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17           ` James Morse
2020-04-02  5:49   ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  5:49     ` Dave Young
2020-04-02  6:12     ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-02  6:12       ` piliu
2020-04-14 17:21       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:21         ` James Morse
2020-04-15 20:36   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-05-09  0:45   ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-09  0:45     ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-11  8:35     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-05-11  8:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-26 18:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] arm64: memory: Give hotplug memory a different resource name James Morse
2020-03-26 18:07   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 19:01   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 19:01     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-04-15 20:37   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:37     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14       ` James Morse
2020-03-27  2:11 ` [PATCH 0/3] kexec/memory_hotplug: Prevent removal and accidental use Baoquan He
2020-03-27  2:11   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-27 15:40   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:40     ` James Morse
2020-03-27  9:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27  9:27   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-27 15:42   ` James Morse
2020-03-27 15:42     ` James Morse
2020-03-30 13:18     ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:18       ` David Hildenbrand
2020-03-30 13:55 ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 13:55   ` Baoquan He
2020-03-30 17:17   ` James Morse
2020-03-30 17:17     ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:46     ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:46       ` Dave Young
2020-04-14 17:31       ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-04-14 17:31         ` James Morse
2020-03-31  3:38 ` Dave Young
2020-03-31  3:38   ` Dave Young
2020-04-15 20:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-15 20:29   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 12:14   ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 12:14     ` James Morse
2020-04-22 13:04     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 13:04       ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-04-22 15:40       ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse
2020-04-22 15:40         ` James Morse

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