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From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	arm-mail-list <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	"kvmarm\@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>,
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	Zhichao Huang <zhichao.huang@linaro.org>,
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	David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Bharat Bhushan <r65777@freescale.com>,
	bp@suse.de, Gleb Natapov <gleb@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 06/10] KVM: arm64: guest debug, add SW break point support
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:37:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tww0qqh9.fsf@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150428125645.GA4137@cbox>


Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org> writes:

> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:34:12AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
>> On 28 April 2015 at 09:42, Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org> wrote:
>> > Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> writes:
>> >> Does the kernel already have a conveniently implemented "inject
>> >> exception into guest" lump of code? If so it might be less effort
>> >> to do it that way round, maybe.
>> >
>> > So you pointed out we can't just re-inject the exceptions we get as we
>> > need to map from things like ESR_ELx_EC_WATCHPT_LOW to
>> > ESR_ELx_EC_WATCHPT_CUR before re-injection.
>> >
>> > Of course if it is as simple as modifying the ESR_EL1 register and
>> > returning +ve in the handle_exit path then I can do that but I assumed
>> > if any other wrangling needs doing it should be done in userspace.
>> 
>> Well, somebody's got to do it, and it's the same amount of work
>> either way (fiddling with ESR, making sure we direct the guest
>> to the right exception vector entry point, maybe a few other
>> things).
>> 
> We already have code in the kernel to inject data/instruction aborts,
> but not sure how much benefit there is in re-using that.  It's up to you
> really, but I think the kernel code should be clear about what the
> intention is so that we don't end up in a situation where: (1) The
> intended behavior is unclear/vague, and (2) it doesn't actually work in
> practice so nobody can follow the code.

Certainly there are some cases where the kernel doesn't have all the
information. For example it doesn't know if the soft break was inserted
by the guest or the host. That to me favours the "let userspace deal
with the ugly" approach.

-- 
Alex Bennée

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
Cc: Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	kvm-devel <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	"J. Kiszka" <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Zhichao Huang <zhichao.huang@linaro.org>,
	Bharat Bhushan <r65777@freescale.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	bp@suse.de, Gleb Natapov <gleb@kernel.org>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
	arm-mail-list <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 06/10] KVM: arm64: guest debug, add SW break point support
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:37:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tww0qqh9.fsf@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150428125645.GA4137@cbox>


Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org> writes:

> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:34:12AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
>> On 28 April 2015 at 09:42, Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org> wrote:
>> > Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> writes:
>> >> Does the kernel already have a conveniently implemented "inject
>> >> exception into guest" lump of code? If so it might be less effort
>> >> to do it that way round, maybe.
>> >
>> > So you pointed out we can't just re-inject the exceptions we get as we
>> > need to map from things like ESR_ELx_EC_WATCHPT_LOW to
>> > ESR_ELx_EC_WATCHPT_CUR before re-injection.
>> >
>> > Of course if it is as simple as modifying the ESR_EL1 register and
>> > returning +ve in the handle_exit path then I can do that but I assumed
>> > if any other wrangling needs doing it should be done in userspace.
>> 
>> Well, somebody's got to do it, and it's the same amount of work
>> either way (fiddling with ESR, making sure we direct the guest
>> to the right exception vector entry point, maybe a few other
>> things).
>> 
> We already have code in the kernel to inject data/instruction aborts,
> but not sure how much benefit there is in re-using that.  It's up to you
> really, but I think the kernel code should be clear about what the
> intention is so that we don't end up in a situation where: (1) The
> intended behavior is unclear/vague, and (2) it doesn't actually work in
> practice so nobody can follow the code.

Certainly there are some cases where the kernel doesn't have all the
information. For example it doesn't know if the soft break was inserted
by the guest or the host. That to me favours the "let userspace deal
with the ugly" approach.

-- 
Alex Bennée
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From: alex.bennee@linaro.org (Alex Bennée)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 06/10] KVM: arm64: guest debug, add SW break point support
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 15:37:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tww0qqh9.fsf@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150428125645.GA4137@cbox>


Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org> writes:

> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:34:12AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
>> On 28 April 2015 at 09:42, Alex Benn?e <alex.bennee@linaro.org> wrote:
>> > Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org> writes:
>> >> Does the kernel already have a conveniently implemented "inject
>> >> exception into guest" lump of code? If so it might be less effort
>> >> to do it that way round, maybe.
>> >
>> > So you pointed out we can't just re-inject the exceptions we get as we
>> > need to map from things like ESR_ELx_EC_WATCHPT_LOW to
>> > ESR_ELx_EC_WATCHPT_CUR before re-injection.
>> >
>> > Of course if it is as simple as modifying the ESR_EL1 register and
>> > returning +ve in the handle_exit path then I can do that but I assumed
>> > if any other wrangling needs doing it should be done in userspace.
>> 
>> Well, somebody's got to do it, and it's the same amount of work
>> either way (fiddling with ESR, making sure we direct the guest
>> to the right exception vector entry point, maybe a few other
>> things).
>> 
> We already have code in the kernel to inject data/instruction aborts,
> but not sure how much benefit there is in re-using that.  It's up to you
> really, but I think the kernel code should be clear about what the
> intention is so that we don't end up in a situation where: (1) The
> intended behavior is unclear/vague, and (2) it doesn't actually work in
> practice so nobody can follow the code.

Certainly there are some cases where the kernel doesn't have all the
information. For example it doesn't know if the soft break was inserted
by the guest or the host. That to me favours the "let userspace deal
with the ugly" approach.

-- 
Alex Benn?e

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-28 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-31 15:07 [PATCH v2 00/10] KVM Guest Debug support for arm64 Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:07 ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:07 ` [PATCH v2 01/10] KVM: add commentary for kvm_debug_exit_arch struct Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:07   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:07   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-01 15:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 15:38     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 15:38     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 15:38     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-10 12:58   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:58     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13 10:57   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 10:57     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 10:57     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 02/10] KVM: define common __KVM_GUESTDBG_USE_SW/HW_BP values Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-10 12:59   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:59     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:59     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:59     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13 11:55   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 11:55     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 11:55     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 11:55     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 14:51     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13 14:51       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13 14:51       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13 14:51       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13 15:07       ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13 15:07         ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13 15:07         ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13 15:07         ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-14  8:24       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14  8:24         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14  8:24         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14  8:24         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14  8:24         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 03/10] KVM: arm: guest debug, define API headers Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-01 15:46   ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 15:46     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 15:46     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 16:01     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-01 16:01       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-01 16:05       ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 16:05         ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 16:09       ` Peter Maydell
2015-04-01 16:09         ` Peter Maydell
2015-04-10 13:05   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 13:05     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 13:05     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13 12:08   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 12:08     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-23  9:54     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-23  9:54       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-23  9:54       ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 04/10] KVM: arm: guest debug, add stub KVM_SET_GUEST_DEBUG ioctl Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-01 15:55   ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 15:55     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 15:55     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-09 12:28     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 12:28       ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 12:28       ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 14:19       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-09 14:19         ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-09 14:19         ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13 12:12   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 12:12     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 12:12     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14  6:31     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-14  6:31       ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-14  6:31       ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-14  8:03       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-14  8:03         ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-14  8:03         ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 05/10] KVM: arm: introduce kvm_arch_setup/clear_debug() Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-01 16:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 16:28     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-01 16:28     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-09 12:56     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 12:56       ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 12:56       ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 14:18       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-09 14:18         ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-09 12:55   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 12:55     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 12:55     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13 14:36   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 14:36     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 14:48     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 14:48       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 14:48       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-13 15:29     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13 15:29       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13 15:29       ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 06/10] KVM: arm64: guest debug, add SW break point support Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-02 12:52   ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-02 12:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-02 12:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2015-04-02 14:06     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-02 14:06       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-02 14:06       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-10 13:09   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 13:09     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 13:09     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-14  8:25   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14  8:25     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-23 14:26     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-23 14:26       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-23 14:26       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-27 20:04       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-27 20:04         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-27 21:57         ` Peter Maydell
2015-04-27 21:57           ` Peter Maydell
2015-04-28  8:42           ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-28  8:42             ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-28  8:42             ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-28  9:34             ` Peter Maydell
2015-04-28  9:34               ` Peter Maydell
2015-04-28 12:56               ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-28 12:56                 ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-28 14:37                 ` Alex Bennée [this message]
2015-04-28 14:37                   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-28 14:37                   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-29  8:10                   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-29  8:10                     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-29  9:18                     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-29  9:18                       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-29  9:18                       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-29 10:38                       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-29 10:38                         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-29 15:08                         ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-29 15:08                           ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-29 15:08                           ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-29 19:20                           ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-29 19:20                             ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-21 14:42   ` Zhichao Huang
2015-04-22  9:46     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-22  9:46       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-22  9:46       ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 07/10] KVM: arm64: guest debug, add support for single-step Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-09 13:24   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 13:24     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-09 14:16     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-09 14:16       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-09 14:16       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-14  8:27   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14  8:27     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14  8:27     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 08/10] KVM: arm64: guest debug, HW assisted debug support Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-10 12:25   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:25     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:25     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13  8:00     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13  8:00       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13  8:00       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-14 10:23     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:23       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:17   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:17     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:17     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 09/10] KVM: arm64: trap nested debug register access Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-10 12:38   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:38     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:38     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13  7:59     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13  7:59       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13  7:59       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-14 10:27       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:27         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:27         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:30   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:30     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:30     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-03-31 15:08 ` [PATCH v2 10/10] KVM: arm64: add trace points for guest_debug debug Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-03-31 15:08   ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-10 12:54   ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-10 12:54     ` Andrew Jones
2015-04-13  7:57     ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-13  7:57       ` Alex Bennée
2015-04-14 10:32   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:32     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-04-14 10:32     ` Christoffer Dall

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