From: Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> To: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> Cc: "William Breathitt Gray" <vilhelm.gray@gmail.com>, "David Laight" <David.Laight@aculab.com>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@kernel.org>, "Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu>, "Linux ARM" <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>, "Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "Krzysztof Adamski" <krzysztof.adamski@nokia.com>, "Oleksij Rempel" <o.rempel@pengutronix.de>, "Baruch Siach" <baruch@tkos.co.il>, "Russell King - ARM Linux" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>, "Daniel Tang" <dt.tangr@gmail.com>, "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>, "Jamie Iles" <jamie@jamieiles.com>, "Barry Song" <song.bao.hua@hisilicon.com>, "Viresh Kumar" <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>, "Jonas Jensen" <jonas.jensen@gmail.com>, "Marc Gonzalez" <marc.w.gonzalez@free.fr>, "Hartley Sweeten" <hsweeten@visionengravers.com>, "Lubomir Rintel" <lkundrak@v3.sk>, "Neil Armstrong" <narmstrong@baylibre.com>, "Shawn Guo" <shawnguo@kernel.org>, "Alex Elder" <elder@linaro.org>, "Alexander Shiyan" <shc_work@mail.ru>, "Koen Vandeputte" <koen.vandeputte@ncentric.com>, "Hans Ulli Kroll" <ulli.kroll@googlemail.com>, "Vladimir Zapolskiy" <vz@mleia.com>, "Wei Xu" <xuwei5@hisilicon.com>, "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>, "Yoshinori Sato" <ysato@users.osdn.me>, "Mark Salter" <msalter@redhat.com>, "Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>, "Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert+renesas@glider.be>, "Thomas Bogendoerfer" <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de> Subject: Re: Old platforms: bring out your dead Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:21:49 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAHp75VceqwbfQ=z34K=soKu4-qvLVEtobFg1sO4jukRcT7BXBg@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CAHp75Ve3QqLqe2sQhNgdrDfKm2uSwXFwMr5_GgGf3tiuCp2DBQ@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:17 PM Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:02 PM Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:27 AM Andy Shevchenko > > <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:55 AM David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote: > > > > > > basically 486 but have a few extra instructions - probably just cpuid > > > > and (IIRC) rdtsc. > > > > Designed for low power embedded use they won't ever have been suitable > > > > for a desktop - but are probably fast enough for some uses. > > > > I'm not sure how much keeping 486 support actually costs, 386 was a > > > > PITA - but the 486 fixed most of those issues. > > > > > > Right, we have "last of mohicans" (to date) Intel Quark family of CPUs > > > (486 core + few i586 features). > > > This is for the embedded world and probably not for powerful use. > > > > What is the status of PC/104? > > Personally I have no idea, but... > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC/104 > > ...from this we learn about PC/104 consortium on site of which we may > learn about new products: > https://pc104.org/products/vcs-1-pc-104-system-for-precision-robotics-applications/ It's ARM based for which Wiki says: "Non-x86 PC/104 CPU boards based on ARM or PowerPC are also commercially available. However, such boards are not capable of running off-the-shelf PC software. In these cases, a Board Support Package is usually provided by the manufacturer for the supported operating system(s)." WRT x86 I run the search https://pc104.org/product-search-results/?kw=x86&post_tag=&product_type=&specifications=&pc-bus-technology=&user=Filter+by+Member+Company seems like all of them are based on Vortex86DX. > One and a half years ago, not dead to me. -- With Best Regards, Andy Shevchenko
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From: Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> To: Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> Cc: "Baruch Siach" <baruch@tkos.co.il>, "Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert+renesas@glider.be>, "Neil Armstrong" <narmstrong@baylibre.com>, "Viresh Kumar" <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>, "Daniel Tang" <dt.tangr@gmail.com>, "Jamie Iles" <jamie@jamieiles.com>, "Krzysztof Adamski" <krzysztof.adamski@nokia.com>, "Alexander Shiyan" <shc_work@mail.ru>, "Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>, "Yoshinori Sato" <ysato@users.osdn.me>, "Russell King - ARM Linux" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>, "Wei Xu" <xuwei5@hisilicon.com>, "Oleksij Rempel" <o.rempel@pengutronix.de>, "Alex Elder" <elder@linaro.org>, "Marc Gonzalez" <marc.w.gonzalez@free.fr>, "Hans Ulli Kroll" <ulli.kroll@googlemail.com>, "Uwe Kleine-König" <u.kleine-koenig@pengutronix.de>, "William Breathitt Gray" <vilhelm.gray@gmail.com>, "Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>, "Vladimir Zapolskiy" <vz@mleia.com>, "Lubomir Rintel" <lkundrak@v3.sk>, "Koen Vandeputte" <koen.vandeputte@ncentric.com>, "Linux ARM" <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>, "Barry Song" <song.bao.hua@hisilicon.com>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@kernel.org>, "Thomas Bogendoerfer" <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>, "Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "Jonas Jensen" <jonas.jensen@gmail.com>, "Hartley Sweeten" <hsweeten@visionengravers.com>, "David Laight" <David.Laight@aculab.com>, "Mark Salter" <msalter@redhat.com>, "Shawn Guo" <shawnguo@kernel.org>, "Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu> Subject: Re: Old platforms: bring out your dead Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:21:49 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <CAHp75VceqwbfQ=z34K=soKu4-qvLVEtobFg1sO4jukRcT7BXBg@mail.gmail.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <CAHp75Ve3QqLqe2sQhNgdrDfKm2uSwXFwMr5_GgGf3tiuCp2DBQ@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:17 PM Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:02 PM Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org> wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 11:27 AM Andy Shevchenko > > <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:55 AM David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com> wrote: > > > > > > basically 486 but have a few extra instructions - probably just cpuid > > > > and (IIRC) rdtsc. > > > > Designed for low power embedded use they won't ever have been suitable > > > > for a desktop - but are probably fast enough for some uses. > > > > I'm not sure how much keeping 486 support actually costs, 386 was a > > > > PITA - but the 486 fixed most of those issues. > > > > > > Right, we have "last of mohicans" (to date) Intel Quark family of CPUs > > > (486 core + few i586 features). > > > This is for the embedded world and probably not for powerful use. > > > > What is the status of PC/104? > > Personally I have no idea, but... > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC/104 > > ...from this we learn about PC/104 consortium on site of which we may > learn about new products: > https://pc104.org/products/vcs-1-pc-104-system-for-precision-robotics-applications/ It's ARM based for which Wiki says: "Non-x86 PC/104 CPU boards based on ARM or PowerPC are also commercially available. However, such boards are not capable of running off-the-shelf PC software. In these cases, a Board Support Package is usually provided by the manufacturer for the supported operating system(s)." WRT x86 I run the search https://pc104.org/product-search-results/?kw=x86&post_tag=&product_type=&specifications=&pc-bus-technology=&user=Filter+by+Member+Company seems like all of them are based on Vortex86DX. > One and a half years ago, not dead to me. -- With Best Regards, Andy Shevchenko _______________________________________________ linux-arm-kernel mailing list linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel
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2021-01-12 14:37 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-11 17:57 ` Rob Landley 2021-01-11 18:09 ` Rob Landley 2021-01-11 15:04 ` Gerhard Pircher 2021-01-11 15:04 ` Gerhard Pircher 2021-01-12 14:44 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-12 14:44 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-12 22:46 ` Linus Walleij 2021-01-12 22:46 ` Linus Walleij 2021-01-13 7:57 ` Rob Landley 2021-01-13 8:09 ` Rob Landley 2021-01-13 8:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-13 8:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-13 13:25 ` Rob Landley 2021-01-13 13:25 ` Rob Landley 2021-01-13 12:02 ` Andy Shevchenko 2021-01-13 12:02 ` Andy Shevchenko 2021-01-13 8:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-13 8:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-13 10:39 ` Arnd Bergmann 2021-01-13 10:39 ` Arnd Bergmann 2021-01-14 3:54 ` New platforms: bring out your dead, was " Finn Thain 2021-01-14 3:54 ` Finn Thain 2021-01-14 9:41 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-14 9:41 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-14 9:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-14 9:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-14 21:21 ` Arnd Bergmann 2021-01-14 21:21 ` Arnd Bergmann 2021-01-14 22:54 ` Undesirable code, was Re: Old platforms etc Finn Thain 2021-01-14 22:54 ` Finn Thain 2021-01-14 23:09 ` Old platforms: bring out your dead Max Filippov 2021-01-14 23:09 ` Max Filippov 2021-01-15 8:31 ` Arnd Bergmann 2021-01-15 8:31 ` Arnd Bergmann 2021-01-13 0:12 ` Old platforms never die, was " Finn Thain 2021-01-13 0:12 ` Finn Thain 2021-01-16 6:54 ` Rob Landley 2021-01-16 6:54 ` Rob Landley 2021-01-16 23:22 ` Finn Thain 2021-01-16 23:22 ` Finn Thain 2021-01-13 11:47 ` Andy Shevchenko 2021-01-13 11:47 ` Andy Shevchenko 2021-01-11 1:39 ` Daniel Palmer 2021-01-11 1:39 ` Daniel Palmer 2021-01-11 9:15 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-11 9:15 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-11 9:20 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-11 9:20 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-11 9:26 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-11 9:26 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 2021-01-11 9:36 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2021-01-11 9:36 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 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