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From: Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
Cc: "Ramuthevar,
	Vadivel MuruganX"  <vadivel.muruganx.ramuthevar@linux.intel.com>,
	Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com>,
	Anders Roxell <anders.roxell@linaro.org>,
	Andriy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@intel.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
	cheol.yong.kim@intel.com, devicetree <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:MEMORY TECHNOLOGY..." <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	masonccyang@mxic.com.tw,
	Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>,
	piotrs@cadence.com, qi-ming.wu@intel.com,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Vignesh R <vigneshr@ti.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] mtd: rawnand: Add NAND controller support on Intel LGM SoC
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:26:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHp75Vcpb-556imBuhsY-asrKqx7LjvQbq+P-ysK-+ii91YpWQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200416135711.039ba85c@collabora.com>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 3:03 PM Boris Brezillon
<boris.brezillon@collabora.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:38:03 +0800
> "Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX"
> <vadivel.muruganx.ramuthevar@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > On 16/4/2020 7:17 pm, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:40:53 +0800
> > > "Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX"
> > > <vadivel.muruganx.ramuthevar@linux.intel.com> wrote:

...

> > There are different features involved and lines of code is more, if we
> > add new driver patches over xway-nand driver
>
> How about retro-fitting the xway logic into your driver then? I mean,
> adding a 100 lines of code to your driver to get rid of the 500+ lines
> we have in xway_nand.c is still a win.
>
> >
> > is completely looks ugly and it may disturb the existing functionality
> > as well since we don't have platform to validate:'(.
>
> How ugly? Can you show us? Maybe we can come with a solution to make it
> less ugly.
>
> As for the testing part, there are 4 scenarios:
>
> 1/ Your changes work perfectly fine on older platforms. Yay \o/!
> 2/ You break the xway driver and existing users notice it before this
>    series gets merged. Now you found someone to validate your changes.
> 3/ You break the xway driver and none of the existing users notice it
>    before the driver is merged, but they notice it afterwards. Too bad
>    this happened after we've merged the driver, but now you've found
>    someone to help you fix the problem :P.
> 4/ You break things for old platforms but no one ever complains about
>    it, either because there's no users left or because they never
>    update their kernels. In any case, that's no longer your problem.
>    Someone will remove those old platforms one day and get rid of the
>    unneeded code in the NAND driver.
>
> What's more likely to happen is #3 or #4, and I think the NAND
> maintainer would be fine with both.
>
> Note that the NAND subsystem is full of unmaintained legacy drivers, so
> every time we see someone who could help us get rid or update one of
> them we have to take this opportunity.

Don't we rather insist to have a MAINTAINERS record for new code to
avoid (or delay at least) the fate of the legacy drivers?

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Shevchenko <andy.shevchenko@gmail.com>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
Cc: cheol.yong.kim@intel.com, devicetree <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	qi-ming.wu@intel.com, Anders Roxell <anders.roxell@linaro.org>,
	Andriy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@intel.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Martin Blumenstingl <martin.blumenstingl@googlemail.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Brendan Higgins <brendanhiggins@google.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Vignesh R <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	"Ramuthevar,
	Vadivel MuruganX" <vadivel.muruganx.ramuthevar@linux.intel.com>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"open list:MEMORY TECHNOLOGY..." <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>,
	Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	masonccyang@mxic.com.tw, piotrs@cadence.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] mtd: rawnand: Add NAND controller support on Intel LGM SoC
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2020 15:26:51 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHp75Vcpb-556imBuhsY-asrKqx7LjvQbq+P-ysK-+ii91YpWQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200416135711.039ba85c@collabora.com>

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 3:03 PM Boris Brezillon
<boris.brezillon@collabora.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:38:03 +0800
> "Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX"
> <vadivel.muruganx.ramuthevar@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> > On 16/4/2020 7:17 pm, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 18:40:53 +0800
> > > "Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX"
> > > <vadivel.muruganx.ramuthevar@linux.intel.com> wrote:

...

> > There are different features involved and lines of code is more, if we
> > add new driver patches over xway-nand driver
>
> How about retro-fitting the xway logic into your driver then? I mean,
> adding a 100 lines of code to your driver to get rid of the 500+ lines
> we have in xway_nand.c is still a win.
>
> >
> > is completely looks ugly and it may disturb the existing functionality
> > as well since we don't have platform to validate:'(.
>
> How ugly? Can you show us? Maybe we can come with a solution to make it
> less ugly.
>
> As for the testing part, there are 4 scenarios:
>
> 1/ Your changes work perfectly fine on older platforms. Yay \o/!
> 2/ You break the xway driver and existing users notice it before this
>    series gets merged. Now you found someone to validate your changes.
> 3/ You break the xway driver and none of the existing users notice it
>    before the driver is merged, but they notice it afterwards. Too bad
>    this happened after we've merged the driver, but now you've found
>    someone to help you fix the problem :P.
> 4/ You break things for old platforms but no one ever complains about
>    it, either because there's no users left or because they never
>    update their kernels. In any case, that's no longer your problem.
>    Someone will remove those old platforms one day and get rid of the
>    unneeded code in the NAND driver.
>
> What's more likely to happen is #3 or #4, and I think the NAND
> maintainer would be fine with both.
>
> Note that the NAND subsystem is full of unmaintained legacy drivers, so
> every time we see someone who could help us get rid or update one of
> them we have to take this opportunity.

Don't we rather insist to have a MAINTAINERS record for new code to
avoid (or delay at least) the fate of the legacy drivers?

-- 
With Best Regards,
Andy Shevchenko

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-16 12:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-14  2:24 [PATCH v1 0/2] mtd: rawnand: Add NAND controller support on Intel LGM SoC Ramuthevar,Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-14  2:24 ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-14  2:24 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] dt-bindings: mtd: Add YAML for Nand Flash Controller support Ramuthevar,Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-14  2:24   ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-14  7:04   ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-14  7:04     ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-15  1:51     ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-15  1:51       ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-14  2:24 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] mtd: rawnand: Add NAND controller support on Intel LGM SoC Ramuthevar,Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-14  2:24   ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-14  7:21   ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-14  7:21     ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-15  6:01     ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-15  6:01       ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-15 22:05   ` Martin Blumenstingl
2020-04-15 22:05     ` Martin Blumenstingl
2020-04-16  9:35     ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-16  9:35       ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-16  9:38       ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16  9:38         ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16  9:45         ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-16  9:45           ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-16 10:26           ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16 10:26             ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16 10:40             ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-16 10:40               ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-16 11:17               ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16 11:17                 ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16 11:32                 ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-16 11:32                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-17  5:10                   ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-17  5:10                     ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
     [not found]                 ` <de9f50b8-9215-d294-9914-e49701552185@linux.intel.com>
2020-04-16 11:57                   ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16 11:57                     ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16 12:26                     ` Andy Shevchenko [this message]
2020-04-16 12:26                       ` Andy Shevchenko
2020-04-16 12:40                       ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16 12:40                         ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-16 13:20                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-04-16 13:20                           ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-04-16 13:51                           ` John Crispin
2020-04-16 13:51                             ` John Crispin
2020-04-20  1:09                           ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-20  1:09                             ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-16 18:08                     ` Martin Blumenstingl
2020-04-16 18:08                       ` Martin Blumenstingl
2020-04-17  5:21                     ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-17  5:21                       ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-17  7:02                       ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-17  7:02                         ` Boris Brezillon
2020-04-17  7:53                         ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX
2020-04-17  7:53                           ` Ramuthevar, Vadivel MuruganX

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