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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
Cc: Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
	Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/9] memremap: add ZONE_DEVICE support for compound pages
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 21:54:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4gAfBO18bPvc=yRbAhaOuDcDgz2wOsvs+konvfpxDiJeA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b1ef0aa7-754c-78e8-ffbd-87397c1eaf79@oracle.com>

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:13 AM Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/22/21 8:37 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 3:24 AM Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:
> >> On 2/20/21 1:43 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:59 PM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 12/8/20 9:28 AM, Joao Martins wrote:
> >> One thing to point out about altmap is that the degradation (in pinning and
> >> unpining) we observed with struct page's in device memory, is no longer observed
> >> once 1) we batch ref count updates as we move to compound pages 2) reusing
> >> tail pages seems to lead to these struct pages staying more likely in cache
> >> which perhaps contributes to dirtying a lot less cachelines.
> >
> > True, it makes it more palatable to survive 'struct page' in PMEM,
>
> I want to retract for now what I said above wrt to the no degradation with
> struct page in device comment. I was fooled by a bug on a patch later down
> this series. Particular because I accidentally cleared PGMAP_ALTMAP_VALID when
> unilaterally setting PGMAP_COMPOUND, which consequently lead to always
> allocating struct pages from memory. No wonder the numbers were just as fast.
> I am still confident that it's going to be faster and observe less degradation
> in pinning/init. Init for now is worst-case 2x faster. But to be *as fast* struct
> pages in memory might still be early to say.
>
> The broken masking of the PGMAP_ALTMAP_VALID bit did hide one flaw, where
> we don't support altmap for basepages on x86/mm and it apparently depends
> on architectures to implement it (and a couple other issues). The vmemmap
> allocation isn't the problem, so the previous comment in this thread that
> altmap doesn't change much in the vmemmap_populate_compound_pages() is
> still accurate.
>
> The problem though resides on the freeing of vmemmap pagetables with
> basepages *with altmap* (e.g. at dax-device teardown) which require arch
> support. Doing it properly would mean making the altmap reserve smaller
> (given fewer pages are allocated), and the ability for the altmap pfn
> allocator to track references per pfn. But I think it deserves its own
> separate patch series (probably almost just as big).
>
> Perhaps for this set I can stick without altmap as you suggested, and
> use hugepage vmemmap population (which wouldn't
> lead to device memory savings) instead of reusing base pages . I would
> still leave the compound page support logic as metadata representation
> for > 4K @align, as I think that's the right thing to do. And then
> a separate series onto improving altmap to leverage the metadata reduction
> support as done with non-device struct pages.
>
> Thoughts?

The space savings is the whole point. So I agree with moving altmap
support to a follow-on enhancement, but land the non-altmap basepage
support in the first round.
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From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>
Cc: Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	 linux-nvdimm <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	 Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Jane Chu <jane.chu@oracle.com>,
	 Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/9] memremap: add ZONE_DEVICE support for compound pages
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 21:54:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4gAfBO18bPvc=yRbAhaOuDcDgz2wOsvs+konvfpxDiJeA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b1ef0aa7-754c-78e8-ffbd-87397c1eaf79@oracle.com>

On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 10:13 AM Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/22/21 8:37 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 3:24 AM Joao Martins <joao.m.martins@oracle.com> wrote:
> >> On 2/20/21 1:43 AM, Dan Williams wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:59 PM John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 12/8/20 9:28 AM, Joao Martins wrote:
> >> One thing to point out about altmap is that the degradation (in pinning and
> >> unpining) we observed with struct page's in device memory, is no longer observed
> >> once 1) we batch ref count updates as we move to compound pages 2) reusing
> >> tail pages seems to lead to these struct pages staying more likely in cache
> >> which perhaps contributes to dirtying a lot less cachelines.
> >
> > True, it makes it more palatable to survive 'struct page' in PMEM,
>
> I want to retract for now what I said above wrt to the no degradation with
> struct page in device comment. I was fooled by a bug on a patch later down
> this series. Particular because I accidentally cleared PGMAP_ALTMAP_VALID when
> unilaterally setting PGMAP_COMPOUND, which consequently lead to always
> allocating struct pages from memory. No wonder the numbers were just as fast.
> I am still confident that it's going to be faster and observe less degradation
> in pinning/init. Init for now is worst-case 2x faster. But to be *as fast* struct
> pages in memory might still be early to say.
>
> The broken masking of the PGMAP_ALTMAP_VALID bit did hide one flaw, where
> we don't support altmap for basepages on x86/mm and it apparently depends
> on architectures to implement it (and a couple other issues). The vmemmap
> allocation isn't the problem, so the previous comment in this thread that
> altmap doesn't change much in the vmemmap_populate_compound_pages() is
> still accurate.
>
> The problem though resides on the freeing of vmemmap pagetables with
> basepages *with altmap* (e.g. at dax-device teardown) which require arch
> support. Doing it properly would mean making the altmap reserve smaller
> (given fewer pages are allocated), and the ability for the altmap pfn
> allocator to track references per pfn. But I think it deserves its own
> separate patch series (probably almost just as big).
>
> Perhaps for this set I can stick without altmap as you suggested, and
> use hugepage vmemmap population (which wouldn't
> lead to device memory savings) instead of reusing base pages . I would
> still leave the compound page support logic as metadata representation
> for > 4K @align, as I think that's the right thing to do. And then
> a separate series onto improving altmap to leverage the metadata reduction
> support as done with non-device struct pages.
>
> Thoughts?

The space savings is the whole point. So I agree with moving altmap
support to a follow-on enhancement, but land the non-altmap basepage
support in the first round.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-12  5:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-08 17:28 [PATCH RFC 0/9] mm, sparse-vmemmap: Introduce compound pagemaps Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 1/9] memremap: add ZONE_DEVICE support for compound pages Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  5:59   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  5:59     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  6:33     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-09  6:33       ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-09 13:12       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 13:12         ` Joao Martins
2021-02-20  1:43     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:43       ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:24       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:24         ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 20:37         ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 20:37           ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 15:46           ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 15:46             ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 16:50             ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 16:50               ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 17:18               ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 17:18                 ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 18:18                 ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 18:18                   ` Dan Williams
2021-03-10 18:12           ` Joao Martins
2021-03-10 18:12             ` Joao Martins
2021-03-12  5:54             ` Dan Williams [this message]
2021-03-12  5:54               ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:24   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:24     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:09     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:09       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 2/9] sparse-vmemmap: Consolidate arguments in vmemmap section populate Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  6:16   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  6:16     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09 13:51     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 13:51       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-20  1:49   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:49     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:26     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:26       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 3/9] sparse-vmemmap: Reuse vmemmap areas for a given mhp_params::align Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:38   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:38     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 3/9] sparse-vmemmap: Reuse vmemmap areas for a given page size Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2021-02-20  3:34   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  3:34     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:42     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:42       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 22:40       ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 22:40         ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 15:46         ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 15:46           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 4/9] mm/page_alloc: Reuse tail struct pages for compound pagemaps Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2021-02-20  6:17   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  6:17     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 12:01     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 12:01       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 5/9] device-dax: Compound pagemap support Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 6/9] mm/gup: Grab head page refcount once for group of subpages Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 19:49   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 11:05     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 11:05       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 15:15       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 16:02         ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 16:02           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 16:24           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 17:27             ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 17:27               ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 18:14             ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-09 18:14               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-12-09 19:08               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-10 15:43               ` Joao Martins
2020-12-10 15:43                 ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  4:40   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  4:40     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09 13:44     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 13:44       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28 ` [PATCH RFC 7/9] mm/gup: Decrement head page " Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:28   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 19:34   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09  5:06     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  5:06       ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09 13:43       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 12:17     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 12:17       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-17 19:05     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-17 19:05       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-17 20:05       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-17 22:34         ` Joao Martins
2020-12-17 22:34           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-18 14:25           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-19  2:06         ` John Hubbard
2020-12-19  2:06           ` John Hubbard
2020-12-19 13:10           ` Joao Martins
2020-12-19 13:10             ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC 8/9] RDMA/umem: batch page unpin in __ib_mem_release() Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:29   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 19:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09 10:59     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 10:59       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-19 13:15       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-19 13:15         ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  5:18   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  5:18     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-08 17:29 ` [PATCH RFC 9/9] mm: Add follow_devmap_page() for devdax vmas Joao Martins
2020-12-08 17:29   ` Joao Martins
2020-12-08 19:57   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-12-09  8:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-12-09  8:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-12-09 11:19     ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09 11:19       ` Joao Martins
2020-12-09  5:23   ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  5:23     ` John Hubbard
2020-12-09  9:38 ` [PATCH RFC 0/9] mm, sparse-vmemmap: Introduce compound pagemaps David Hildenbrand
2020-12-09  9:38   ` David Hildenbrand
2020-12-09  9:52 ` [External] " Muchun Song
2020-12-09  9:52   ` Muchun Song
2021-02-20  1:18 ` Dan Williams
2021-02-20  1:18   ` Dan Williams
2021-02-22 11:06   ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 11:06     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 14:32     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-22 14:32       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 16:28   ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 16:28     ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 16:44     ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 16:44       ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 17:15       ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 17:15         ` Joao Martins
2021-02-23 18:15         ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 18:15           ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 18:54       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-23 22:48         ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 22:48           ` Dan Williams
2021-02-23 23:07           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-24  0:14             ` Dan Williams
2021-02-24  0:14               ` Dan Williams
2021-02-24  1:00               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-02-24  1:32                 ` Dan Williams
2021-02-24  1:32                   ` Dan Williams

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