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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<netdev@vger.kernel.org>, <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	<mingo@redhat.com>, <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	<manfred@colorfullife.com>, <tj@kernel.org>, <arnd@arndb.de>,
	<linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	<peterz@infradead.org>, <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	<torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 02/26] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:50:33 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1706301549240.2177-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170630192123.GA8471@redhat.com>

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Oleg Nesterov wrote:

> On 06/30, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 05:20:10PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > >
> > > I do not think the overhead will be noticeable in this particular case.
> > >
> > > But I am not sure I understand why do we want to unlock_wait. Yes I agree,
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> if it was not clear, I tried to say "why do we want to _remove_ unlock_wait".
> 
> > > it has some problems, but still...
> > >
> > > The code above looks strange for me. If we are going to repeat this pattern
> > > the perhaps we should add a helper for lock+unlock and name it unlock_wait2 ;)
> > >
> > > If not, we should probably change this code more:
> >
> > This looks -much- better than my patch!  May I have your Signed-off-by?
> 
> Only if you promise to replace all RCU flavors with a single simple implementation
> based on rwlock ;)
> 
> Seriously, of course I won't argue, and it seems that nobody except me likes
> this primitive, but to me spin_unlock_wait() looks like synchronize_rcu(() and
> sometimes it makes sense.

If it looks like synchronize_rcu(), why not actually use 
synchronize_rcu()?

Alan Stern

> Including this particular case. task_work_run() is going to flush/destroy the
> ->task_works list, so it needs to wait until all currently executing "readers"
> (task_work_cancel()'s which have started before ->task_works was updated) have
> completed.

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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, dave@stgolabs.net, manfred@colorfullife.com,
	tj@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	will.deacon@arm.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	parri.andrea@gmail.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 02/26] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:50:33 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1706301549240.2177-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170630192123.GA8471@redhat.com>

On Fri, 30 Jun 2017, Oleg Nesterov wrote:

> On 06/30, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 30, 2017 at 05:20:10PM +0200, Oleg Nesterov wrote:
> > >
> > > I do not think the overhead will be noticeable in this particular case.
> > >
> > > But I am not sure I understand why do we want to unlock_wait. Yes I agree,
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> if it was not clear, I tried to say "why do we want to _remove_ unlock_wait".
> 
> > > it has some problems, but still...
> > >
> > > The code above looks strange for me. If we are going to repeat this pattern
> > > the perhaps we should add a helper for lock+unlock and name it unlock_wait2 ;)
> > >
> > > If not, we should probably change this code more:
> >
> > This looks -much- better than my patch!  May I have your Signed-off-by?
> 
> Only if you promise to replace all RCU flavors with a single simple implementation
> based on rwlock ;)
> 
> Seriously, of course I won't argue, and it seems that nobody except me likes
> this primitive, but to me spin_unlock_wait() looks like synchronize_rcu(() and
> sometimes it makes sense.

If it looks like synchronize_rcu(), why not actually use 
synchronize_rcu()?

Alan Stern

> Including this particular case. task_work_run() is going to flush/destroy the
> ->task_works list, so it needs to wait until all currently executing "readers"
> (task_work_cancel()'s which have started before ->task_works was updated) have
> completed.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-30 19:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-29 23:59 [PATCH RFC 0/26] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 01/26] netfilter: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]   ` <a6642feb-2f3a-980f-5ed6-2deb79563e6b@colorfullife.com>
2017-07-02  2:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 14:39     ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 14:39       ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 17:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 19:01         ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-03 19:57           ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 19:57             ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 18:43             ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 18:43               ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 18:43               ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-03 20:04         ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 20:04           ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 20:53           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 02/26] task_work: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 11:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 12:50     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 15:20       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 16:16         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 17:21           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 19:21           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 19:50             ` Alan Stern [this message]
2017-06-30 19:50               ` Alan Stern
2017-06-30 20:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 20:02             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 20:19               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 03/26] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 10:31   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-30 12:35     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 04/26] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 05/26] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 06/26] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-01 19:23   ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-02  3:16     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 07/26] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 08/26] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  9:19   ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 12:38     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 13:13       ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 22:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 13:15           ` Will Deacon
2017-07-03 16:18             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 16:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-03 17:13                 ` Will Deacon
2017-07-03 22:30                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 22:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-04  0:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-04  0:54                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 21:10                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 09/26] alpha: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 10/26] arc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 11/26] arm: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 12/26] arm64: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  9:20   ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30  9:20     ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 17:29     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 17:29       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 13/26] blackfin: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 14/26] hexagon: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 15/26] ia64: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 16/26] m32r: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 17/26] metag: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 18/26] mips: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 19/26] mn10300: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 20/26] parisc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 21/26] powerpc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-02  3:58   ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-05 23:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 22/26] s390: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 23/26] sh: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 24/26] sparc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 25/26] tile: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30  0:09     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30  0:24       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 26/26] xtensa: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 1/9] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: Fix net_conntrack_lock() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 18:45     ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 18:45       ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 18:45       ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 20:26       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 2/9] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 3/9] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 4/9] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 5/9] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 6/9] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 7/9] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 8/9] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 9/9] arch: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 14:12   ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() David Laight
2017-07-06 15:21     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 15:21       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 15:21       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:24         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:24           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:24           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 17:03             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:03               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:03               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:49           ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 16:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 19:37               ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 19:37                 ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 16:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:20       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:20         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:20         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 17:08           ` Will Deacon
2017-07-06 17:08             ` Will Deacon
2017-07-06 17:08             ` Will Deacon
2017-07-06 17:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:18           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:18             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:18             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07  8:31           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:31             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:31             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07  8:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07  8:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 10:33               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 10:33                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 10:33                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 11:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 11:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 11:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 14:41             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 14:41               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08  8:43               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08  8:43                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 11:41                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 11:41                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 17:47             ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-07 17:47               ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-07 17:47               ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-08  8:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08  8:35                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 11:39                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 11:39                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 12:30                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 12:30                     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 14:45                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 14:45                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 16:21                     ` Alan Stern
2017-07-08 16:21                       ` Alan Stern
2017-07-10 17:22                       ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-07  8:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  9:32         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  9:32           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  9:32           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 19:27   ` [PATCH v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 1/9] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: Fix net_conntrack_lock() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 2/9] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 3/9] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 4/9] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 5/9] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 6/9] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 7/9] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 8/9] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 9/9] arch: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney

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