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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>, <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	<oleg@redhat.com>, <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	<mingo@redhat.com>, <dave@stgolabs.net>, <tj@kernel.org>,
	<arnd@arndb.de>, <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	<will.deacon@arm.com>, <peterz@infradead.org>,
	<parri.andrea@gmail.com>, <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	Jozsef Kadlecsik <kadlec@blackhole.kfki.hu>,
	Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>, <coreteam@netfilter.org>,
	<1vier1@web.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 01/26] netfilter: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 15:57:03 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1707031543170.2027-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53bbfa1a-2836-863d-3a5c-4f2f7f0baa40@colorfullife.com>

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017, Manfred Spraul wrote:

> >>> +	/* 2) read nf_conntrack_locks_all, with ACQUIRE semantics */
> >>> +	if (likely(smp_load_acquire(&nf_conntrack_locks_all) == false))
> >>> +		return;
> >> As far as I can tell, this read does not need to have ACQUIRE
> >> semantics.
> >>
> >> You need to guarantee that two things can never happen:
> >>
> >>      (1) We read nf_conntrack_locks_all == false, and this routine's
> >> 	critical section for nf_conntrack_locks[i] runs after the
> >> 	(empty) critical section for that lock in
> >> 	nf_conntrack_all_lock().
> >>
> >>      (2) We read nf_conntrack_locks_all == true, and this routine's
> >> 	critical section for nf_conntrack_locks_all_lock runs before
> >> 	the critical section in nf_conntrack_all_lock().
> I was looking at nf_conntrack_all_unlock:
> There is a smp_store_release() - which memory barrier does this pair with?
> 
> nf_conntrack_all_unlock()
>      <arbitrary writes>
>      smp_store_release(a, false)
>      spin_unlock(b);
> 
> nf_conntrack_lock()
>      spin_lock(c);
>      xx=read_once(a)
>      if (xx==false)
>          return
>      <arbitrary read>

Ah, I see your point.  Yes, I did wonder about what would happen when
nf_conntrack_locks_all was set back to false.  But I didn't think about
it any further, because the relevant code wasn't in your patch.

> I tried to pair the memory barriers:
> nf_conntrack_all_unlock() contains a smp_store_release().
> What does that pair with?

You are right, this does need to be smp_load_acquire() after all.  
Perhaps the preceding comment should mention that it pairs with the 
smp_store_release() from an earlier invocation of 
nf_conntrack_all_unlock().

(Alternatively, you could make nf_conntrack_all_unlock() do a
lock+unlock on all the locks in the array, just like
nf_conntrack_all_lock().  But of course, that would be a lot less
efficient.)

Alan Stern

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From: Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>
To: Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>
Cc: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	oleg@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	dave@stgolabs.net, tj@kernel.org, arnd@arndb.de,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, will.deacon@arm.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, parri.andrea@gmail.com,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	Pablo Neira Ayuso <pablo@netfilter.org>,
	Jozsef Kadlecsik <kadlec@blackhole.kfki.hu>,
	Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	coreteam@netfilter.org, 1vier1@web.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 01/26] netfilter: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 15:57:03 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44L0.1707031543170.2027-100000@iolanthe.rowland.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53bbfa1a-2836-863d-3a5c-4f2f7f0baa40@colorfullife.com>

On Mon, 3 Jul 2017, Manfred Spraul wrote:

> >>> +	/* 2) read nf_conntrack_locks_all, with ACQUIRE semantics */
> >>> +	if (likely(smp_load_acquire(&nf_conntrack_locks_all) == false))
> >>> +		return;
> >> As far as I can tell, this read does not need to have ACQUIRE
> >> semantics.
> >>
> >> You need to guarantee that two things can never happen:
> >>
> >>      (1) We read nf_conntrack_locks_all == false, and this routine's
> >> 	critical section for nf_conntrack_locks[i] runs after the
> >> 	(empty) critical section for that lock in
> >> 	nf_conntrack_all_lock().
> >>
> >>      (2) We read nf_conntrack_locks_all == true, and this routine's
> >> 	critical section for nf_conntrack_locks_all_lock runs before
> >> 	the critical section in nf_conntrack_all_lock().
> I was looking at nf_conntrack_all_unlock:
> There is a smp_store_release() - which memory barrier does this pair with?
> 
> nf_conntrack_all_unlock()
>      <arbitrary writes>
>      smp_store_release(a, false)
>      spin_unlock(b);
> 
> nf_conntrack_lock()
>      spin_lock(c);
>      xx=read_once(a)
>      if (xx==false)
>          return
>      <arbitrary read>

Ah, I see your point.  Yes, I did wonder about what would happen when
nf_conntrack_locks_all was set back to false.  But I didn't think about
it any further, because the relevant code wasn't in your patch.

> I tried to pair the memory barriers:
> nf_conntrack_all_unlock() contains a smp_store_release().
> What does that pair with?

You are right, this does need to be smp_load_acquire() after all.  
Perhaps the preceding comment should mention that it pairs with the 
smp_store_release() from an earlier invocation of 
nf_conntrack_all_unlock().

(Alternatively, you could make nf_conntrack_all_unlock() do a
lock+unlock on all the locks in the array, just like
nf_conntrack_all_lock().  But of course, that would be a lot less
efficient.)

Alan Stern

  reply	other threads:[~2017-07-03 19:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 211+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-29 23:59 [PATCH RFC 0/26] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 01/26] netfilter: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
     [not found]   ` <a6642feb-2f3a-980f-5ed6-2deb79563e6b@colorfullife.com>
2017-07-02  2:00     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 14:39     ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 14:39       ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 17:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 19:01         ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-03 19:57           ` Alan Stern [this message]
2017-07-03 19:57             ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 18:43             ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 18:43               ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 18:43               ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-03 20:04         ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 20:04           ` Alan Stern
2017-07-03 20:53           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 02/26] task_work: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 11:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 12:50     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 15:20       ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 16:16         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 17:21           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 19:21           ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-06-30 19:50             ` Alan Stern
2017-06-30 19:50               ` Alan Stern
2017-06-30 20:04               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 20:02             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 20:19               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 03/26] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 10:31   ` Arnd Bergmann
2017-06-30 12:35     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 04/26] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 05/26] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 06/26] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-01 19:23   ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-02  3:16     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 07/26] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 08/26] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  9:19   ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 12:38     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 13:13       ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 22:18         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 13:15           ` Will Deacon
2017-07-03 16:18             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 16:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-03 17:13                 ` Will Deacon
2017-07-03 22:30                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 22:49                     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-07-04  0:39                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-04  0:54                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-03 21:10                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 09/26] alpha: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 10/26] arc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 11/26] arm: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 12/26] arm64: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  9:20   ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30  9:20     ` Will Deacon
2017-06-30 17:29     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30 17:29       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 13/26] blackfin: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 14/26] hexagon: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 15/26] ia64: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 16/26] m32r: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 17/26] metag: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 18/26] mips: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 19/26] mn10300: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 20/26] parisc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 21/26] powerpc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-02  3:58   ` Boqun Feng
2017-07-05 23:57     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 22/26] s390: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 23/26] sh: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 24/26] sparc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 25/26] tile: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:06   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30  0:09     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-06-30  0:24       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 26/26] xtensa: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-30  0:01   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 1/9] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: Fix net_conntrack_lock() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 18:45     ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 18:45       ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 18:45       ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-06 20:26       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 2/9] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 3/9] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 4/9] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 5/9] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 6/9] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 7/9] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 8/9] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-05 23:31   ` [PATCH v2 9/9] arch: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 14:12   ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() David Laight
2017-07-06 15:21     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 15:21       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 15:21       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:24         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:24           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:24           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:41             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 17:03             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:03               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:03               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:49           ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 16:54             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:54               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 19:37               ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 19:37                 ` Alan Stern
2017-07-06 16:05     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:20       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:20         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:20         ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 16:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 16:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-06 17:08           ` Will Deacon
2017-07-06 17:08             ` Will Deacon
2017-07-06 17:08             ` Will Deacon
2017-07-06 17:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:29               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:18           ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:18             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-06 17:18             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07  8:31           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:31             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:31             ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:44             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07  8:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07  8:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 10:33               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 10:33                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 10:33                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 11:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 11:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 11:23                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-07 14:41             ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 14:41               ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08  8:43               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08  8:43                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 11:41                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 11:41                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 17:47             ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-07 17:47               ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-07 17:47               ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-08  8:35               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08  8:35                 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 11:39                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 11:39                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 12:30                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 12:30                     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-08 14:45                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 14:45                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-08 16:21                     ` Alan Stern
2017-07-08 16:21                       ` Alan Stern
2017-07-10 17:22                       ` Manfred Spraul
2017-07-07  8:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  8:06         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  9:32         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  9:32           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07  9:32           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-07 19:27   ` [PATCH v3 " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 1/9] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: Fix net_conntrack_lock() Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 2/9] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 3/9] sched: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 4/9] completion: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 5/9] exit: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 6/9] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 7/9] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28       ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 8/9] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney
2017-07-07 19:28     ` [PATCH v3 9/9] arch: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney

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