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From: Alexander Dahl <ada@thorsis.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Raise the minimum GCC version to 5.2
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 09:34:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YI+nhMcPSTs/5Ydp@ada-deb-carambola.ifak-system.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210502223007.GZ1847222@casper.infradead.org>

Hei hei,

Am Sun, May 02, 2021 at 11:30:07PM +0100 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
> On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:08:31PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > What is relevant is what version of gcc various distributions actually
> > have reasonably easily available, and how old and relevant the
> > distributions are. We did decide that (just as an example) RHEL 7 was
> > too old to worry about when we updated the gcc version requirement
> > last time.
> > 
> > Last year, Arnd and Kirill (maybe others were involved too) made a
> > list of distros and older gcc versions. But I don't think anybody
> > actually _maintains_ such a list. It would be perhaps interesting to
> > have some way to check what compiler versions are being offered by
> > different distros.
> 
> fwiw, Debian 9 aka Stretch released June 2017 had gcc 6.3
> Debian 10 aka Buster released June 2019 had gcc 7.4 *and* 8.3.
> Debian 8 aka Jessie had gcc-4.8.4 and gcc-4.9.2.
> 
> So do we care about people who haven't bothered to upgrade userspace
> since 2017?  If so, we can't go past 4.9.

Desktops and servers are all nice, however I just want to make you
aware, there are embedded users forced to stick to older cross
toolchains for different reasons as well, e.g. in industrial
environment. :-)

This is no show stopper for us, I just wanted to let you be aware.

Greets
Alex


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From: Alexander Dahl <ada@thorsis.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Raise the minimum GCC version to 5.2
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 09:34:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YI+nhMcPSTs/5Ydp@ada-deb-carambola.ifak-system.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210502223007.GZ1847222@casper.infradead.org>

Hei hei,

Am Sun, May 02, 2021 at 11:30:07PM +0100 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
> On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:08:31PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > What is relevant is what version of gcc various distributions actually
> > have reasonably easily available, and how old and relevant the
> > distributions are. We did decide that (just as an example) RHEL 7 was
> > too old to worry about when we updated the gcc version requirement
> > last time.
> > 
> > Last year, Arnd and Kirill (maybe others were involved too) made a
> > list of distros and older gcc versions. But I don't think anybody
> > actually _maintains_ such a list. It would be perhaps interesting to
> > have some way to check what compiler versions are being offered by
> > different distros.
> 
> fwiw, Debian 9 aka Stretch released June 2017 had gcc 6.3
> Debian 10 aka Buster released June 2019 had gcc 7.4 *and* 8.3.
> Debian 8 aka Jessie had gcc-4.8.4 and gcc-4.9.2.
> 
> So do we care about people who haven't bothered to upgrade userspace
> since 2017?  If so, we can't go past 4.9.

Desktops and servers are all nice, however I just want to make you
aware, there are embedded users forced to stick to older cross
toolchains for different reasons as well, e.g. in industrial
environment. :-)

This is no show stopper for us, I just wanted to let you be aware.

Greets
Alex


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WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alexander Dahl <ada@thorsis.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Raise the minimum GCC version to 5.2
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 09:34:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YI+nhMcPSTs/5Ydp@ada-deb-carambola.ifak-system.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210502223007.GZ1847222@casper.infradead.org>

Hei hei,

Am Sun, May 02, 2021 at 11:30:07PM +0100 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
> On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:08:31PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > What is relevant is what version of gcc various distributions actually
> > have reasonably easily available, and how old and relevant the
> > distributions are. We did decide that (just as an example) RHEL 7 was
> > too old to worry about when we updated the gcc version requirement
> > last time.
> > 
> > Last year, Arnd and Kirill (maybe others were involved too) made a
> > list of distros and older gcc versions. But I don't think anybody
> > actually _maintains_ such a list. It would be perhaps interesting to
> > have some way to check what compiler versions are being offered by
> > different distros.
> 
> fwiw, Debian 9 aka Stretch released June 2017 had gcc 6.3
> Debian 10 aka Buster released June 2019 had gcc 7.4 *and* 8.3.
> Debian 8 aka Jessie had gcc-4.8.4 and gcc-4.9.2.
> 
> So do we care about people who haven't bothered to upgrade userspace
> since 2017?  If so, we can't go past 4.9.

Desktops and servers are all nice, however I just want to make you
aware, there are embedded users forced to stick to older cross
toolchains for different reasons as well, e.g. in industrial
environment. :-)

This is no show stopper for us, I just wanted to let you be aware.

Greets
Alex


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alexander Dahl <ada@thorsis.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Joe Perches <joe@perches.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Albert Ou <aou@eecs.berkeley.edu>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Linux Kbuild mailing list <linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Linux Doc Mailing List <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
	linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Raise the minimum GCC version to 5.2
Date: Mon, 3 May 2021 09:34:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YI+nhMcPSTs/5Ydp@ada-deb-carambola.ifak-system.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210502223007.GZ1847222@casper.infradead.org>

Hei hei,

Am Sun, May 02, 2021 at 11:30:07PM +0100 schrieb Matthew Wilcox:
> On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 02:08:31PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > What is relevant is what version of gcc various distributions actually
> > have reasonably easily available, and how old and relevant the
> > distributions are. We did decide that (just as an example) RHEL 7 was
> > too old to worry about when we updated the gcc version requirement
> > last time.
> > 
> > Last year, Arnd and Kirill (maybe others were involved too) made a
> > list of distros and older gcc versions. But I don't think anybody
> > actually _maintains_ such a list. It would be perhaps interesting to
> > have some way to check what compiler versions are being offered by
> > different distros.
> 
> fwiw, Debian 9 aka Stretch released June 2017 had gcc 6.3
> Debian 10 aka Buster released June 2019 had gcc 7.4 *and* 8.3.
> Debian 8 aka Jessie had gcc-4.8.4 and gcc-4.9.2.
> 
> So do we care about people who haven't bothered to upgrade userspace
> since 2017?  If so, we can't go past 4.9.

Desktops and servers are all nice, however I just want to make you
aware, there are embedded users forced to stick to older cross
toolchains for different reasons as well, e.g. in industrial
environment. :-)

This is no show stopper for us, I just wanted to let you be aware.

Greets
Alex


_______________________________________________
linux-arm-kernel mailing list
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-03  7:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-01 15:15 [PATCH] Raise the minimum GCC version to 5.2 Masahiro Yamada
2021-05-01 15:15 ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-05-01 15:15 ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-05-01 15:15 ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-05-01 15:52 ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-01 15:52   ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-01 15:52   ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-01 15:52   ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-01 17:38   ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-01 17:38     ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-01 17:38     ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-01 17:38     ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-02  2:41   ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02  2:41     ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02  2:41     ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02  2:41     ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02 18:30     ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 18:30       ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 18:30       ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 18:30       ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 20:00       ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02 20:00         ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02 20:00         ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02 20:00         ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02 20:32         ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 20:32           ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 20:32           ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 20:32           ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 21:05           ` Ali Kaasinen
2021-05-02 21:05             ` Ali Kaasinen
2021-05-02 21:05             ` Ali Kaasinen
2021-05-02 21:05             ` Ali Kaasinen
2021-05-02 21:08           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-05-02 21:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-05-02 21:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-05-02 21:08             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-05-02 22:30             ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-02 22:30               ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-02 22:30               ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-02 22:30               ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-03  7:34               ` Alexander Dahl [this message]
2021-05-03  7:34                 ` Alexander Dahl
2021-05-03  7:34                 ` Alexander Dahl
2021-05-03  7:34                 ` Alexander Dahl
2021-05-03  8:54                 ` Joe Perches
2021-05-03  8:54                   ` Joe Perches
2021-05-03  8:54                   ` Joe Perches
2021-05-03  8:54                   ` Joe Perches
2021-05-03  9:25                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03  9:25                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03  9:25                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03  9:25                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03 12:20                   ` David Laight
2021-05-03 12:20                     ` David Laight
2021-05-03 12:20                     ` David Laight
2021-05-03 13:10                     ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-03 13:10                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-03 13:10                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-03 13:10                       ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04  5:30                   ` Alexander Dahl
2021-05-04  5:30                     ` Alexander Dahl
2021-05-04  5:30                     ` Alexander Dahl
2021-05-04  5:30                     ` Alexander Dahl
2021-05-04  6:33                     ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-04  6:33                       ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-04  6:33                       ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-04 12:07                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-04 12:07                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-04 12:07                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-04 12:07                       ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-04 13:25                   ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-05-04 13:25                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-05-04 13:25                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-05-04 13:25                     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-05-03 11:35               ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03 11:35                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03 11:35                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03 11:35                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03  9:49             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-05-03  9:49               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-05-03  9:49               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-05-03  9:49               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-05-02 21:23           ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02 21:23             ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02 21:23             ` Joe Perches
2021-05-02 21:23             ` Joe Perches
2021-05-03  0:44             ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-03  0:44               ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-03  0:44               ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-03  0:44               ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-03  9:57               ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03  9:57                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03  9:57                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-03  9:57                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-05-04  7:56     ` Ben Dooks
2021-05-04  7:56       ` Ben Dooks
2021-05-04  7:56       ` Ben Dooks
2021-05-04  7:56       ` Ben Dooks
2021-05-04  8:38       ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04  8:38         ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04  8:38         ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04  8:38         ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04  9:22         ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-04  9:22           ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-04  9:22           ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-04  9:22           ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-04 12:09           ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04 12:09             ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04 12:09             ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04 12:09             ` Miguel Ojeda
2021-05-04 12:17             ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-04 12:17               ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-04 12:17               ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-04 12:17               ` Michal Suchánek
2021-05-04 12:26               ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-04 12:26                 ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-04 12:26                 ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-04 12:26                 ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-02 18:37 ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 18:37   ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 18:37   ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-02 18:37   ` Segher Boessenkool
2021-05-03  6:16 ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-03  6:16   ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-03  6:16   ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-03  6:16   ` Christophe Leroy
2021-05-04  2:13   ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-05-04  2:13     ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-05-04  2:13     ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-05-04  2:13     ` Masahiro Yamada
2021-05-04 13:18   ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-05-04 13:18     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-05-04 13:18     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-05-04 13:18     ` Andy Shevchenko
2021-05-03 12:27 ` David Sterba
2021-05-03 12:27   ` David Sterba
2021-05-03 12:27   ` David Sterba
2021-05-03 12:27   ` David Sterba
2021-05-15  7:14 ` Pavel Machek
2021-05-15  7:14   ` Pavel Machek
2021-05-15  7:14   ` Pavel Machek
2021-05-15  7:14   ` Pavel Machek
2021-05-15  7:27   ` Joe Perches
2021-05-15  7:27     ` Joe Perches
2021-05-15  7:27     ` Joe Perches
2021-05-15  7:27     ` Joe Perches

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