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From: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@ndufresne.ca>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	linux-media <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Sumit Semwal <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Sharma, Shashank" <Shashank.Sharma@amd.com>
Subject: Re: DMA-buf and uncached system memory
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:39:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdb508e49eb1439f4e4c327d2a6738f219e04bf8.camel@ndufresne.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <91ff0bbb-ea3a-2663-3453-dea96ccd6dd8@amd.com>

Le lundi 15 février 2021 à 09:58 +0100, Christian König a écrit :
> Hi guys,
> 
> we are currently working an Freesync and direct scan out from system 
> memory on AMD APUs in A+A laptops.
> 
> On problem we stumbled over is that our display hardware needs to scan 
> out from uncached system memory and we currently don't have a way to 
> communicate that through DMA-buf.
> 
> For our specific use case at hand we are going to implement something 
> driver specific, but the question is should we have something more 
> generic for this?

Hopefully I'm getting this right, but this makes me think of a long standing
issue I've met with Intel DRM and UVC driver. If I let the UVC driver allocate
the buffer, and import the resulting DMABuf (cacheable memory written with a cpu
copy in the kernel) into DRM, we can see cache artifact being displayed. While
if I use the DRM driver memory (dumb buffer in that case) it's clean because
there is a driver specific solution to that.

There is no obvious way for userspace application to know what's is right/wrong
way and in fact it feels like the kernel could solve this somehow without having
to inform userspace (perhaps).

> 
> After all the system memory access pattern is a PCIe extension and as 
> such something generic.
> 
> Regards,
> Christian.



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From: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@ndufresne.ca>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	linux-media <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: "Sharma, Shashank" <Shashank.Sharma@amd.com>
Subject: Re: DMA-buf and uncached system memory
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:39:25 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdb508e49eb1439f4e4c327d2a6738f219e04bf8.camel@ndufresne.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <91ff0bbb-ea3a-2663-3453-dea96ccd6dd8@amd.com>

Le lundi 15 février 2021 à 09:58 +0100, Christian König a écrit :
> Hi guys,
> 
> we are currently working an Freesync and direct scan out from system 
> memory on AMD APUs in A+A laptops.
> 
> On problem we stumbled over is that our display hardware needs to scan 
> out from uncached system memory and we currently don't have a way to 
> communicate that through DMA-buf.
> 
> For our specific use case at hand we are going to implement something 
> driver specific, but the question is should we have something more 
> generic for this?

Hopefully I'm getting this right, but this makes me think of a long standing
issue I've met with Intel DRM and UVC driver. If I let the UVC driver allocate
the buffer, and import the resulting DMABuf (cacheable memory written with a cpu
copy in the kernel) into DRM, we can see cache artifact being displayed. While
if I use the DRM driver memory (dumb buffer in that case) it's clean because
there is a driver specific solution to that.

There is no obvious way for userspace application to know what's is right/wrong
way and in fact it feels like the kernel could solve this somehow without having
to inform userspace (perhaps).

> 
> After all the system memory access pattern is a PCIe extension and as 
> such something generic.
> 
> Regards,
> Christian.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-02-15 20:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-15  8:58 DMA-buf and uncached system memory Christian König
2021-02-15  8:58 ` Christian König
2021-02-15  9:06 ` Simon Ser
2021-02-15  9:06   ` Simon Ser
2021-02-15  9:34   ` Christian König
2021-02-15  9:34     ` Christian König
2021-02-15 11:53     ` Lucas Stach
2021-02-15 11:53       ` Lucas Stach
2021-02-15 12:04       ` Christian König
2021-02-15 12:04         ` Christian König
2021-02-15 12:16         ` Lucas Stach
2021-02-15 12:16           ` Lucas Stach
2021-02-15 12:25           ` Christian König
2021-02-15 12:25             ` Christian König
2021-02-15 14:41         ` David Laight
2021-02-15 14:41           ` David Laight
2021-02-15 14:54           ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Christian König
2021-02-15 14:54             ` Christian König
2021-02-15  9:49 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-15  9:49   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-15 12:00   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-15 12:00     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2021-02-15 12:10     ` Christian König
2021-02-15 12:10       ` Christian König
2021-02-15 20:46       ` Nicolas Dufresne
2021-02-15 20:46         ` Nicolas Dufresne
2021-02-15 20:39 ` Nicolas Dufresne [this message]
2021-02-15 20:39   ` Nicolas Dufresne
2022-06-21 10:17   ` Andy.Hsieh
2022-06-21 10:34     ` Christian König
2022-06-21 15:42       ` Nicolas Dufresne
2022-06-21 15:42         ` Nicolas Dufresne
2022-06-22  9:05         ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Christian König
2022-06-22  9:05           ` Christian König
2021-02-16  9:25 ` Daniel Vetter
2021-02-16  9:25   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-06-22 19:39   ` Nicolas Dufresne
2022-06-22 19:39     ` Nicolas Dufresne
2022-06-22 23:34     ` Daniel Stone
2022-06-22 23:34       ` Daniel Stone
2022-06-23  6:59       ` Christian König
2022-06-23  6:59         ` Christian König
2022-06-23  7:13         ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-06-23  7:13           ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-06-23  7:26           ` Christian König
2022-06-23  7:26             ` Christian König
2022-06-23  8:04             ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-23  8:14               ` Christian König
2022-06-23  8:58                 ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-23  9:09                   ` Christian König
2022-06-23  9:33                     ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-23  9:46                       ` Christian König
2022-06-23 10:13                         ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-23 11:10                           ` Christian König
2022-06-23 11:27                             ` Daniel Stone
2022-06-23 11:27                               ` Daniel Stone
2022-06-23 11:32                               ` Christian König
2022-06-23 11:32                                 ` Christian König
2022-06-24 22:02                                 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Daniel Vetter
2022-06-24 22:02                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-07-04 13:48                                   ` Christian König
2022-08-09 14:46                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-08-09 14:46                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-08-10  5:55                                       ` Christian König
2022-06-23 11:29                             ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-23 11:54                               ` Christian König
2022-06-23 12:14                                 ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-23 12:52                                   ` Christian König
2022-06-23 15:26                                     ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-24  6:54                                       ` Christian König
2022-06-24  8:10                                         ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-27 13:54                       ` Nicolas Dufresne
2022-06-27 14:06                         ` Lucas Stach
2022-06-27 14:30                           ` Nicolas Dufresne
2022-06-27 13:51                   ` Nicolas Dufresne
2022-06-23  8:13 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-06-23  8:26   ` Christian König
2022-06-23  8:42     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-08-09 15:01 ` Rob Clark
2022-08-09 15:01   ` Rob Clark

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