From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> Cc: Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>, "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>, "Jiang, Dave" <dave.jiang@intel.com>, "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>, "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org" <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>, Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com> Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 09:56:09 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <fdb2f38c-da1f-9c12-af44-22df039fcfea@redhat.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20210607175926.GJ1002214@nvidia.com> On 07/06/21 19:59, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: >> The KVM interface is the same kvm-vfio device that exists already. The >> userspace API does not need to change at all: adding one VFIO file >> descriptor with WBINVD enabled to the kvm-vfio device lets the VM use WBINVD >> functionality (see kvm_vfio_update_coherency). > > The problem is we are talking about adding a new /dev/ioasid FD and it > won't fit into the existing KVM VFIO FD interface. There are lots of > options here, one is to add new ioctls that specifically use the new > FD, the other is to somehow use VFIO as a proxy to carry things to the > /dev/ioasid FD code. Exactly. >> Alternatively you can add a KVM_DEV_IOASID_{ADD,DEL} pair of ioctls. But it >> seems useless complication compared to just using what we have now, at least >> while VMs only use IOASIDs via VFIO. > > The simplest is KVM_ENABLE_WBINVD(<fd security proof>) and be done > with it. The simplest one is KVM_DEV_VFIO_GROUP_ADD/DEL, that already exists and also covers hot-unplug. The second simplest one is KVM_DEV_IOASID_ADD/DEL. It need not be limited to wbinvd support, it's just a generic "let VMs do what userspace can do if it has access to this file descriptor". That it enables guest WBINVD is an implementation detail. >> Either way, there should be no policy attached to the add/delete operations. >> KVM users want to add the VFIO (or IOASID) file descriptors to the device >> independent of WBINVD. If userspace wants/needs to apply its own policy on >> whether to enable WBINVD or not, they can do it on the VFIO/IOASID side: > > Why does KVM need to know abut IOASID's? I don't think it can do > anything with this general information. Indeed, it only uses them as the security proofs---either VFIO or IOASID file descriptors can be used as such. Paolo
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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> Cc: Jean-Philippe Brucker <jean-philippe@linaro.org>, "Tian, Kevin" <kevin.tian@intel.com>, "Jiang, Dave" <dave.jiang@intel.com>, "Raj, Ashok" <ashok.raj@intel.com>, "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>, Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org" <iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org>, Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>, Kirti Wankhede <kwankhede@nvidia.com>, Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au> Subject: Re: [RFC] /dev/ioasid uAPI proposal Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 09:56:09 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <fdb2f38c-da1f-9c12-af44-22df039fcfea@redhat.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20210607175926.GJ1002214@nvidia.com> On 07/06/21 19:59, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: >> The KVM interface is the same kvm-vfio device that exists already. The >> userspace API does not need to change at all: adding one VFIO file >> descriptor with WBINVD enabled to the kvm-vfio device lets the VM use WBINVD >> functionality (see kvm_vfio_update_coherency). > > The problem is we are talking about adding a new /dev/ioasid FD and it > won't fit into the existing KVM VFIO FD interface. There are lots of > options here, one is to add new ioctls that specifically use the new > FD, the other is to somehow use VFIO as a proxy to carry things to the > /dev/ioasid FD code. Exactly. >> Alternatively you can add a KVM_DEV_IOASID_{ADD,DEL} pair of ioctls. But it >> seems useless complication compared to just using what we have now, at least >> while VMs only use IOASIDs via VFIO. > > The simplest is KVM_ENABLE_WBINVD(<fd security proof>) and be done > with it. The simplest one is KVM_DEV_VFIO_GROUP_ADD/DEL, that already exists and also covers hot-unplug. The second simplest one is KVM_DEV_IOASID_ADD/DEL. It need not be limited to wbinvd support, it's just a generic "let VMs do what userspace can do if it has access to this file descriptor". That it enables guest WBINVD is an implementation detail. >> Either way, there should be no policy attached to the add/delete operations. >> KVM users want to add the VFIO (or IOASID) file descriptors to the device >> independent of WBINVD. If userspace wants/needs to apply its own policy on >> whether to enable WBINVD or not, they can do it on the VFIO/IOASID side: > > Why does KVM need to know abut IOASID's? I don't think it can do > anything with this general information. Indeed, it only uses them as the security proofs---either VFIO or IOASID file descriptors can be used as such. Paolo _______________________________________________ iommu mailing list iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/iommu
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