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From: mcgrof at kernel.org (Luis Chamberlain)
Subject: [RFC v3 11/19] kunit: add Python libraries for handing KUnit config and kernel
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 12:47:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181204204701.GT28501@garbanzo.do-not-panic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFd5g47x-UNja72k-CWPmWz9+LTn8pF8Wj5Poq+2FJ93E=vymA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 03, 2018 at 03:48:15PM -0800, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 5:54 AM Kieran Bingham
> <kieran.bingham at ideasonboard.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brendan,
> >
> > Thanks again for this series!
> >
> > On 28/11/2018 19:36, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> > > The ultimate goal is to create minimal isolated test binaries; in the
> > > meantime we are using UML to provide the infrastructure to run tests, so
> > > define an abstract way to configure and run tests that allow us to
> > > change the context in which tests are built without affecting the user.
> > > This also makes pretty and dynamic error reporting, and a lot of other
> > > nice features easier.
> >
> >
> > I wonder if we could somehow generate a shared library object
> > 'libkernel' or 'libumlinux' from a UM configured set of headers and
> > objects so that we could create binary targets directly ?
> 
> That's an interesting idea. I think it would be difficult to figure
> out exactly where to draw the line of what goes in there and what
> needs to be built specific to a test a priori. Of course, that leads
> into the biggest problem in general, needed to know what I need to
> build to test the thing that I want to test.
> 
> Nevertheless, I could definitely imagine that being useful in a lot of cases.

Whether or not we can abstract away the kernel into such a mechanism
with uml libraries is a good question worth exploring.

Developers working upstream do modify their kernels a lot, so we'd have
to update such libraries quite a bit, but I think that's fine too. The
*real* value I think from the above suggestion would be enterprise /
mobile distros or stable kernel maintainers which have a static kernel
they need to support for a relatively *long time*, consider a 10 year
time frame. Running unit tests without qemu with uml and libraries for
respective kernels seems real worthy.

The overhead for testing a unit test for said targets, *ideally*, would
just be to to reboot into the system with such libraries available, a
unit test would just look for the respective uname -r library and mimic
that kernel, much the same way enterprise distributions today rely on
having debugging symbols available to run against crash / gdb. Having
debug modules / kernel for crash requires such effort already, so this
would just be an extra layer of other prospect tests.

All ideaware for now, but the roadmap seems to be paving itself.

  Luis

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: mcgrof@kernel.org (Luis Chamberlain)
Subject: [RFC v3 11/19] kunit: add Python libraries for handing KUnit config and kernel
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 12:47:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181204204701.GT28501@garbanzo.do-not-panic.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20181204204701.3pvSm7pnaGAEx1sPFaNpzTwgCtXF3XHVVgHoB-3UPVg@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFd5g47x-UNja72k-CWPmWz9+LTn8pF8Wj5Poq+2FJ93E=vymA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 03, 2018@03:48:15PM -0800, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 5:54 AM Kieran Bingham
> <kieran.bingham@ideasonboard.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Brendan,
> >
> > Thanks again for this series!
> >
> > On 28/11/2018 19:36, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> > > The ultimate goal is to create minimal isolated test binaries; in the
> > > meantime we are using UML to provide the infrastructure to run tests, so
> > > define an abstract way to configure and run tests that allow us to
> > > change the context in which tests are built without affecting the user.
> > > This also makes pretty and dynamic error reporting, and a lot of other
> > > nice features easier.
> >
> >
> > I wonder if we could somehow generate a shared library object
> > 'libkernel' or 'libumlinux' from a UM configured set of headers and
> > objects so that we could create binary targets directly ?
> 
> That's an interesting idea. I think it would be difficult to figure
> out exactly where to draw the line of what goes in there and what
> needs to be built specific to a test a priori. Of course, that leads
> into the biggest problem in general, needed to know what I need to
> build to test the thing that I want to test.
> 
> Nevertheless, I could definitely imagine that being useful in a lot of cases.

Whether or not we can abstract away the kernel into such a mechanism
with uml libraries is a good question worth exploring.

Developers working upstream do modify their kernels a lot, so we'd have
to update such libraries quite a bit, but I think that's fine too. The
*real* value I think from the above suggestion would be enterprise /
mobile distros or stable kernel maintainers which have a static kernel
they need to support for a relatively *long time*, consider a 10 year
time frame. Running unit tests without qemu with uml and libraries for
respective kernels seems real worthy.

The overhead for testing a unit test for said targets, *ideally*, would
just be to to reboot into the system with such libraries available, a
unit test would just look for the respective uname -r library and mimic
that kernel, much the same way enterprise distributions today rely on
having debugging symbols available to run against crash / gdb. Having
debug modules / kernel for crash requires such effort already, so this
would just be an extra layer of other prospect tests.

All ideaware for now, but the roadmap seems to be paving itself.

  Luis

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-04 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 232+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-28 19:36 [RFC v3 00/19] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 01/19] kunit: test: add KUnit test runner core brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:14   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:14     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-01  1:51     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-01  1:51       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  2:57       ` mcgrof
2018-12-01  2:57         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-05 13:15     ` anton.ivanov
2018-12-05 13:15       ` Anton Ivanov
2018-12-05 14:45       ` arnd
2018-12-05 14:45         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-05 14:49         ` anton.ivanov
2018-12-05 14:49           ` Anton Ivanov
2018-11-30  3:28   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:28     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-01  2:08     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-01  2:08       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:10       ` mcgrof
2018-12-01  3:10         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 22:47         ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 22:47           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:02   ` mcgrof
2018-12-01  3:02     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 02/19] kunit: test: add test resource management API brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 03/19] kunit: test: add string_stream a std::stream like string builder brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:29   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:29     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-01  2:14     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-01  2:14       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:12       ` mcgrof
2018-12-01  3:12         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 10:55     ` pmladek
2018-12-03 10:55       ` Petr Mladek
2018-12-04  0:35       ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:35         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 04/19] kunit: test: add test_stream a std::stream like logger brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 05/19] kunit: test: add the concept of expectations brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 06/19] arch: um: enable running kunit from User Mode Linux brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 21:26   ` robh
2018-11-28 21:26     ` Rob Herring
2018-11-30  3:37     ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:37       ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-30 14:05       ` robh
2018-11-30 14:05         ` Rob Herring
2018-11-30 18:22         ` mcgrof
2018-11-30 18:22           ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:22           ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:22             ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:30   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:30     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 07/19] kunit: test: add initial tests brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:40   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:40     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:26     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:26       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-03 23:43       ` mcgrof
2018-12-03 23:43         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 08/19] arch: um: add shim to trap to allow installing a fault catcher for tests brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:34   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:34     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:34     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:34       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-03 23:46       ` mcgrof
2018-12-03 23:46         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-04  0:44         ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:44           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:41   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:41     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:37     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:37       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 09/19] kunit: test: add the concept of assertions brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 10/19] kunit: test: add test managed resource tests brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 11/19] kunit: add Python libraries for handing KUnit config and kernel brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-29 13:54   ` kieran.bingham
2018-11-29 13:54     ` Kieran Bingham
2018-12-03 23:48     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:48       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 20:47       ` mcgrof [this message]
2018-12-04 20:47         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-06 12:32         ` kieran.bingham
2018-12-06 12:32           ` Kieran Bingham
2018-12-06 15:37           ` willy
2018-12-06 15:37             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-07 11:30             ` kieran.bingham
2018-12-07 11:30               ` Kieran Bingham
2018-12-11 14:09             ` pmladek
2018-12-11 14:09               ` Petr Mladek
2018-12-11 14:41               ` rostedt
2018-12-11 14:41                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-12-11 17:01                 ` anton.ivanov
2018-12-11 17:01                   ` Anton Ivanov
2019-02-09  0:40                   ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-09  0:40                     ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-07  1:05           ` mcgrof
2018-12-07  1:05             ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-07 18:35           ` kent.overstreet
2018-12-07 18:35             ` Kent Overstreet
2018-11-30  3:44   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:44     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:50     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:50       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 20:48       ` mcgrof
2018-12-04 20:48         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 12/19] kunit: add KUnit wrapper script and simple output parser brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 13/19] kunit: improve output from python wrapper brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 14/19] Documentation: kunit: add documentation for KUnit brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-29 13:56   ` kieran.bingham
2018-11-29 13:56     ` Kieran Bingham
2018-11-30  3:45     ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:45       ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:53       ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:53         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-06 12:16         ` kieran.bingham
2018-12-06 12:16           ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-09  0:56           ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-09  0:56             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-11 12:16             ` kieran.bingham
2019-02-11 12:16               ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-12 22:10               ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-12 22:10                 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-13 21:55                 ` kieran.bingham
2019-02-13 21:55                   ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-14  0:17                   ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-14  0:17                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 17:26                     ` mcgrof
2019-02-14 17:26                       ` Luis Chamberlain
2019-02-14 22:07                       ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-14 22:07                         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 15/19] MAINTAINERS: add entry for KUnit the unit testing framework brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 16/19] arch: um: make UML unflatten device tree when testing brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 21:16   ` robh
2018-11-28 21:16     ` Rob Herring
2018-12-04  0:00     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:00       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:46   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:46     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-04  0:02     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:02       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 17/19] of: unittest: migrate tests to run on KUnit brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]   ` <CAL_Jsq+09Kx7yMBC_Jw45QGmk6U_fp4N6HOZDwYrM4tWw+_dOA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-30  0:39     ` rdunlap
2018-11-30  0:39       ` Randy Dunlap
2018-12-04  0:13       ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:13         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 13:40         ` robh
2018-12-04 13:40           ` Rob Herring
2018-12-05 23:42           ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-05 23:42             ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-07  0:41             ` robh
2018-12-07  0:41               ` Rob Herring
2018-12-04  0:08     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:08       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-13  1:44     ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-13  1:44       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 20:10       ` robh
2019-02-14 20:10         ` Rob Herring
2019-02-14 21:52         ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-14 21:52           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-18 22:56       ` frowand.list
2019-02-18 22:56         ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-28  0:29         ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-28  0:29           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:56   ` frowand.list
2018-12-04 10:56     ` Frank Rowand
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 18/19] of: unittest: split out a couple of test cases from unittest brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:58   ` frowand.list
2018-12-04 10:58     ` Frank Rowand
2018-12-05 23:54     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-05 23:54       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 23:57       ` frowand.list
2019-02-14 23:57         ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-15  0:56         ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-15  0:56           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-15  2:05           ` frowand.list
2019-02-15  2:05             ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-15 10:56             ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-15 10:56               ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-18 22:25               ` frowand.list
2019-02-18 22:25                 ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-20 20:44                 ` frowand.list
2019-02-20 20:44                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-20 20:47                   ` frowand.list
2019-02-20 20:47                     ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-28  3:52                   ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-28  3:52                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  0:22                     ` frowand.list
2019-03-22  0:22                       ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-22  1:30                       ` brendanhiggins
2019-03-22  1:30                         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  1:47                         ` frowand.list
2019-03-22  1:47                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-25 22:15                           ` brendanhiggins
2019-03-25 22:15                             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-09-20 16:57                         ` Rob Herring
2019-09-21 23:57                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-22  1:34                       ` frowand.list
2019-03-22  1:34                         ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-25 22:18                         ` brendanhiggins
2019-03-25 22:18                           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 19/19] of: unittest: split up some super large test cases brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:52 ` [RFC v3 00/19] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework frowand.list
2018-12-04 10:52   ` Frank Rowand
2018-12-04 11:40 ` frowand.list
2018-12-04 11:40   ` Frank Rowand
2018-12-04 13:49   ` robh
2018-12-04 13:49     ` Rob Herring
2018-12-05 23:10     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-05 23:10       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  0:27       ` frowand.list
2019-03-22  0:27         ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-25 22:04         ` brendanhiggins
2019-03-25 22:04           ` Brendan Higgins

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