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From: willy@infradead.org (Matthew Wilcox)
Subject: [RFC v3 11/19] kunit: add Python libraries for handing KUnit config and kernel
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 07:37:18 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181206153718.GD24603@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
Message-ID: <20181206153718.scMNCGOMqTK8ny5fqbHmdfwE9B9f54dWmas9xxtLkh4@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f8722f4a-44c8-24c2-c433-5178f9f40b82@ideasonboard.com>

On Thu, Dec 06, 2018@12:32:47PM +0000, Kieran Bingham wrote:
> On 04/12/2018 20:47, Luis Chamberlain wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 03, 2018@03:48:15PM -0800, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> >> On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 5:54 AM Kieran Bingham
> >> <kieran.bingham@ideasonboard.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Brendan,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks again for this series!
> >>>
> >>> On 28/11/2018 19:36, Brendan Higgins wrote:
> >>>> The ultimate goal is to create minimal isolated test binaries; in the
> >>>> meantime we are using UML to provide the infrastructure to run tests, so
> >>>> define an abstract way to configure and run tests that allow us to
> >>>> change the context in which tests are built without affecting the user.
> >>>> This also makes pretty and dynamic error reporting, and a lot of other
> >>>> nice features easier.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if we could somehow generate a shared library object
> >>> 'libkernel' or 'libumlinux' from a UM configured set of headers and
> >>> objects so that we could create binary targets directly ?
> >>
> >> That's an interesting idea. I think it would be difficult to figure
> >> out exactly where to draw the line of what goes in there and what
> >> needs to be built specific to a test a priori. Of course, that leads
> >> into the biggest problem in general, needed to know what I need to
> >> build to test the thing that I want to test.
> >>
> >> Nevertheless, I could definitely imagine that being useful in a lot of cases.
> > 
> > Whether or not we can abstract away the kernel into such a mechanism
> > with uml libraries is a good question worth exploring.
> > 
> > Developers working upstream do modify their kernels a lot, so we'd have
> > to update such libraries quite a bit, but I think that's fine too. The
> > *real* value I think from the above suggestion would be enterprise /
> > mobile distros or stable kernel maintainers which have a static kernel
> > they need to support for a relatively *long time*, consider a 10 year
> > time frame. Running unit tests without qemu with uml and libraries for
> > respective kernels seems real worthy.
> 
> I think any such library might be something generated by the kernel
> build system, so if someone makes substantial changes to a core
> component provided by the library - it can be up to them to build a
> corresponding userspace library as well.
> 
> We could also consider to only provide *static* libraries rather than
> dynamic. So any one building some userspace tool / test with this would
> be required to compile against (the version of) the kernel they expect
> perhaps... - much like we expect modules to be compiled currently.
> 
> And then the userspace binary would be sufficiently able to live it's
> life on it's own :)
> 
> > The overhead for testing a unit test for said targets, *ideally*, would
> > just be to to reboot into the system with such libraries available, a
> > unit test would just look for the respective uname -r library and mimic
> > that kernel, much the same way enterprise distributions today rely on
> > having debugging symbols available to run against crash / gdb. Having
> > debug modules / kernel for crash requires such effort already, so this
> > would just be an extra layer of other prospect tests.
> 
> Oh - although, yes - there are some good concepts there - but I'm a bit
> weary of how easy it would be to 'run' the said test against multiple
> kernel version libraries... there would be a lot of possible ABI
> conflicts perhaps.
> 
> My main initial idea for a libumlinux is to provide infrastructure such
> as our linked-lists and other kernel formatting so that we can take
> kernel code directly to userspace for test and debug (assuming that
> there are no hardware dependencies or things that we can't mock out)
> 
> I think all of this could complement kunit of course - this isn't
> suggesting an alternative implementation :-)

I suspect the reason Luis cc'd me on this is that we already have some
artisinally-crafted userspace kernel-mocking interfaces under tools/.
The tools/testing/radix-tree directory is the source of some of this,
but I've been moving pieces out into tools/ more generally where it
makes sense to.

We have liburcu already, which is good.  The main sticking points are:

 - No emulation of kernel thread interfaces
 - The kernel does not provide the ability to aggressively fail memory
   allocations (which is useful when trying to exercise the memory failure
   paths).
 - printk has started adding a lot of %pX enhancements which printf
   obviously doesn't know about.
 - No global pseudo-random number generator in the kernel.  Probably
   we should steal the i915 one.

I know Dan Williams has also done a lot of working mocking kernel
interfaces for libnvdimm.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-12-06 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 232+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-28 19:36 [RFC v3 00/19] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 01/19] kunit: test: add KUnit test runner core brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:14   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:14     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-01  1:51     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-01  1:51       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  2:57       ` mcgrof
2018-12-01  2:57         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-05 13:15     ` anton.ivanov
2018-12-05 13:15       ` Anton Ivanov
2018-12-05 14:45       ` arnd
2018-12-05 14:45         ` Arnd Bergmann
2018-12-05 14:49         ` anton.ivanov
2018-12-05 14:49           ` Anton Ivanov
2018-11-30  3:28   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:28     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-01  2:08     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-01  2:08       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:10       ` mcgrof
2018-12-01  3:10         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 22:47         ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 22:47           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:02   ` mcgrof
2018-12-01  3:02     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 02/19] kunit: test: add test resource management API brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 03/19] kunit: test: add string_stream a std::stream like string builder brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:29   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:29     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-01  2:14     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-01  2:14       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-01  3:12       ` mcgrof
2018-12-01  3:12         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 10:55     ` pmladek
2018-12-03 10:55       ` Petr Mladek
2018-12-04  0:35       ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:35         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 04/19] kunit: test: add test_stream a std::stream like logger brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 05/19] kunit: test: add the concept of expectations brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 06/19] arch: um: enable running kunit from User Mode Linux brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 21:26   ` robh
2018-11-28 21:26     ` Rob Herring
2018-11-30  3:37     ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:37       ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-30 14:05       ` robh
2018-11-30 14:05         ` Rob Herring
2018-11-30 18:22         ` mcgrof
2018-11-30 18:22           ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:22           ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:22             ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:30   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:30     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 07/19] kunit: test: add initial tests brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:40   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:40     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:26     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:26       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-03 23:43       ` mcgrof
2018-12-03 23:43         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 08/19] arch: um: add shim to trap to allow installing a fault catcher for tests brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:34   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:34     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:34     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:34       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-03 23:46       ` mcgrof
2018-12-03 23:46         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-04  0:44         ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:44           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:41   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:41     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:37     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:37       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 09/19] kunit: test: add the concept of assertions brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 10/19] kunit: test: add test managed resource tests brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 11/19] kunit: add Python libraries for handing KUnit config and kernel brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-29 13:54   ` kieran.bingham
2018-11-29 13:54     ` Kieran Bingham
2018-12-03 23:48     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:48       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 20:47       ` mcgrof
2018-12-04 20:47         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-06 12:32         ` kieran.bingham
2018-12-06 12:32           ` Kieran Bingham
2018-12-06 15:37           ` willy [this message]
2018-12-06 15:37             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-12-07 11:30             ` kieran.bingham
2018-12-07 11:30               ` Kieran Bingham
2018-12-11 14:09             ` pmladek
2018-12-11 14:09               ` Petr Mladek
2018-12-11 14:41               ` rostedt
2018-12-11 14:41                 ` Steven Rostedt
2018-12-11 17:01                 ` anton.ivanov
2018-12-11 17:01                   ` Anton Ivanov
2019-02-09  0:40                   ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-09  0:40                     ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-07  1:05           ` mcgrof
2018-12-07  1:05             ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-07 18:35           ` kent.overstreet
2018-12-07 18:35             ` Kent Overstreet
2018-11-30  3:44   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:44     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:50     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:50       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 20:48       ` mcgrof
2018-12-04 20:48         ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 12/19] kunit: add KUnit wrapper script and simple output parser brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 13/19] kunit: improve output from python wrapper brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 14/19] Documentation: kunit: add documentation for KUnit brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-29 13:56   ` kieran.bingham
2018-11-29 13:56     ` Kieran Bingham
2018-11-30  3:45     ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:45       ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-03 23:53       ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-03 23:53         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-06 12:16         ` kieran.bingham
2018-12-06 12:16           ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-09  0:56           ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-09  0:56             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-11 12:16             ` kieran.bingham
2019-02-11 12:16               ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-12 22:10               ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-12 22:10                 ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-13 21:55                 ` kieran.bingham
2019-02-13 21:55                   ` Kieran Bingham
2019-02-14  0:17                   ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-14  0:17                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 17:26                     ` mcgrof
2019-02-14 17:26                       ` Luis Chamberlain
2019-02-14 22:07                       ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-14 22:07                         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 15/19] MAINTAINERS: add entry for KUnit the unit testing framework brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 16/19] arch: um: make UML unflatten device tree when testing brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 21:16   ` robh
2018-11-28 21:16     ` Rob Herring
2018-12-04  0:00     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:00       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-30  3:46   ` mcgrof
2018-11-30  3:46     ` Luis Chamberlain
2018-12-04  0:02     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:02       ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 17/19] of: unittest: migrate tests to run on KUnit brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
     [not found]   ` <CAL_Jsq+09Kx7yMBC_Jw45QGmk6U_fp4N6HOZDwYrM4tWw+_dOA@mail.gmail.com>
2018-11-30  0:39     ` rdunlap
2018-11-30  0:39       ` Randy Dunlap
2018-12-04  0:13       ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:13         ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 13:40         ` robh
2018-12-04 13:40           ` Rob Herring
2018-12-05 23:42           ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-05 23:42             ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-07  0:41             ` robh
2018-12-07  0:41               ` Rob Herring
2018-12-04  0:08     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-04  0:08       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-13  1:44     ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-13  1:44       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 20:10       ` robh
2019-02-14 20:10         ` Rob Herring
2019-02-14 21:52         ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-14 21:52           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-18 22:56       ` frowand.list
2019-02-18 22:56         ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-28  0:29         ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-28  0:29           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:56   ` frowand.list
2018-12-04 10:56     ` Frank Rowand
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 18/19] of: unittest: split out a couple of test cases from unittest brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:58   ` frowand.list
2018-12-04 10:58     ` Frank Rowand
2018-12-05 23:54     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-05 23:54       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-14 23:57       ` frowand.list
2019-02-14 23:57         ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-15  0:56         ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-15  0:56           ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-15  2:05           ` frowand.list
2019-02-15  2:05             ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-15 10:56             ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-15 10:56               ` Brendan Higgins
2019-02-18 22:25               ` frowand.list
2019-02-18 22:25                 ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-20 20:44                 ` frowand.list
2019-02-20 20:44                   ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-20 20:47                   ` frowand.list
2019-02-20 20:47                     ` Frank Rowand
2019-02-28  3:52                   ` brendanhiggins
2019-02-28  3:52                     ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  0:22                     ` frowand.list
2019-03-22  0:22                       ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-22  1:30                       ` brendanhiggins
2019-03-22  1:30                         ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  1:47                         ` frowand.list
2019-03-22  1:47                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-25 22:15                           ` brendanhiggins
2019-03-25 22:15                             ` Brendan Higgins
2019-09-20 16:57                         ` Rob Herring
2019-09-21 23:57                           ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-22  1:34                       ` frowand.list
2019-03-22  1:34                         ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-25 22:18                         ` brendanhiggins
2019-03-25 22:18                           ` Brendan Higgins
2018-11-28 19:36 ` [RFC v3 19/19] of: unittest: split up some super large test cases brendanhiggins
2018-11-28 19:36   ` Brendan Higgins
2018-12-04 10:52 ` [RFC v3 00/19] kunit: introduce KUnit, the Linux kernel unit testing framework frowand.list
2018-12-04 10:52   ` Frank Rowand
2018-12-04 11:40 ` frowand.list
2018-12-04 11:40   ` Frank Rowand
2018-12-04 13:49   ` robh
2018-12-04 13:49     ` Rob Herring
2018-12-05 23:10     ` brendanhiggins
2018-12-05 23:10       ` Brendan Higgins
2019-03-22  0:27       ` frowand.list
2019-03-22  0:27         ` Frank Rowand
2019-03-25 22:04         ` brendanhiggins
2019-03-25 22:04           ` Brendan Higgins

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