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From: Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>
To: Jonathan Cameron <Jonathan.Cameron@Huawei.com>
Cc: linux-cxl@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org, dan.j.williams@intel.com,
	ira.weiny@intel.com, vishal.l.verma@intel.com,
	alison.schofield@intel.com, rafael@kernel.org,
	bhelgaas@google.com, robert.moore@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 13/18] cxl: Add latency and bandwidth calculations for the CXL path
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:38:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6c15f65d-d007-ff7e-55c7-a1c120ac1c62@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230215131706.0000592d@Huawei.com>



On 2/15/23 6:17 AM, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 16:03:27 -0700
> Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/9/23 8:24 AM, Jonathan Cameron wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2023 13:51:19 -0700
>>> Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com> wrote:
>>>    
>>>> CXL Memory Device SW Guide rev1.0 2.11.2 provides instruction on how to
>>>> caluclate latency and bandwidth for CXL memory device. Calculate minimum
>>>
>>> Spell check your descriptions (I often forget to do this as well!
>>> )
>>>> bandwidth and total latency for the path from the CXL device to the root
>>>> port. The calculates values are stored in the cached DSMAS entries attached
>>>> to the cxl_port of the CXL device.
>>>>
>>>> For example for a device that is directly attached to a host bus:
>>>> Total Latency = Device Latency (from CDAT) + Dev to Host Bus (HB) Link
>>>> 		Latency
>>>> Min Bandwidth = Link Bandwidth between Host Bus and CXL device
>>>>
>>>> For a device that has a switch in between host bus and CXL device:
>>>> Total Latency = Device (CDAT) Latency + Dev to Switch Link Latency +
>>>> 		Switch (CDAT) Latency + Switch to HB Link Latency
>>>
>>> For QTG purposes, are we also supposed to take into account HB to
>>> system interconnect type latency (or maybe nearest CPU?).
>>> That is likely to be non trivial.
>>
>> Dan brought this ECN [1] to my attention. We can add this if we can find
>> a BIOS that implements the ECN. Or should we code a place holder for it
>> until this is available?
>>
>> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-cxl/e1a52da9aec90766da5de51b1b839fd95d63a5af.camel@intel.com/
> 
> I've had Generic Ports on my list to add to QEMU for a while but not been
> high enough priority to either do it myself, or make it someone else's problem.
> I suspect the biggest barrier in QEMU is going to be the interface to add
> these to the NUMA description.
> 
> It's easy enough to hand build and inject a SRAT /SLIT/HMAT tables with
> these in (that's how we developed the Generic Initiator support in Linux before
> any BIOS support).
> 
> So I'd like to see it soon, but I'm not hugely bothered if that element
> follows this patch set. However, we are potentially going to see different
> decisions made when that detail is added so it 'might' count as ABI
> breakage if it's not there from the start. I think we are fine as probably
> no BIOS' yet though.
> 
>>
>>>    
>>>> Min Bandwidth = min(dev to switch bandwidth, switch to HB bandwidth)
>>>> Signed-off-by: Dave Jiang <dave.jiang@intel.com>
>>>
>>> Stray sign off.
>>>    
>>>>
>>>> The internal latency for a switch can be retrieved from the CDAT of the
>>>> switch PCI device. However, since there's no easy way to retrieve that
>>>> right now on Linux, a guesstimated constant is used per switch to simplify
>>>> the driver code.
>>>
>>> I'd like to see that gap closed asap. I think it is fairly obvious how to do
>>> it, so shouldn't be too hard, just needs a dance to get the DOE for a switch
>>> port using Lukas' updated handling of DOE mailboxes.
>>
>> Talked to Lukas and this may not be difficult with his latest changes. I
>> can take a look. Do we support switch CDAT in QEMU yet?
> 
> I started typing no, then thought I'd just check.  Seems I did write support
> for CDAT on switches (and then completely forgot about it ;)
> It's upstream and everything!
> https://elixir.bootlin.com/qemu/latest/source/hw/pci-bridge/cxl_upstream.c#L194
> 
Awesome! I'll go poke around a bit. Also it's very helpful to see the 
creation code. Helped me realize that I need to support parsing of 
SSLBIS sub-table for switches. Thanks!

  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-15 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-06 20:49 [PATCH 00/18] cxl: Add support for QTG ID retrieval for CXL subsystem Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:49 ` [PATCH 01/18] cxl: Export QTG ids from CFMWS to sysfs Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 11:15   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09 17:28     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:49 ` [PATCH 02/18] ACPICA: Export acpi_ut_verify_cdat_checksum() Dave Jiang
2023-02-07 14:19   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2023-02-07 15:47     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 11:30       ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 20:49 ` [PATCH 03/18] cxl: Add checksum verification to CDAT from CXL Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 11:34   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09 17:31     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:49 ` [PATCH 04/18] cxl: Add common helpers for cdat parsing Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 11:58   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-09 22:57     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-11 10:18       ` Lukas Wunner
2023-02-14 13:17         ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-14 20:36         ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:50 ` [PATCH 05/18] ACPICA: Fix 'struct acpi_cdat_dsmas' spelling mistake Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 22:00   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-02-06 20:50 ` [PATCH 06/18] cxl: Add callback to parse the DSMAS subtables from CDAT Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 13:29   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-13 22:55     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:50 ` [PATCH 07/18] cxl: Add callback to parse the DSLBIS subtable " Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 13:50   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-14  0:24     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:50 ` [PATCH 08/18] cxl: Add support for _DSM Function for retrieving QTG ID Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 14:02   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-14 21:07     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:50 ` [PATCH 09/18] cxl: Add helper function to retrieve ACPI handle of CXL root device Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 14:10   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-14 21:29     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:50 ` [PATCH 10/18] PCI: Export pcie_get_speed() using the code from sysfs PCI link speed show function Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 22:27   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-02-07 20:29     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 11/18] PCI: Export pcie_get_width() using the code from sysfs PCI link width " Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 22:43   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-02-07 20:35     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 12/18] cxl: Add helpers to calculate pci latency for the CXL device Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 22:39   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-02-07 20:51     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-08 22:15       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-02-08 23:56         ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 15:10           ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-14 22:22             ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-15 12:13               ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-22 17:54                 ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 15:16   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 13/18] cxl: Add latency and bandwidth calculations for the CXL path Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 15:24   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-14 23:03     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-15 13:17       ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-15 16:38         ` Dave Jiang [this message]
2023-02-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 14/18] cxl: Wait Memory_Info_Valid before access memory related info Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 15:29   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 15/18] cxl: Move identify and partition query from pci probe to port probe Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 15:29   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 16/18] cxl: Move reading of CDAT data from device to after media is ready Dave Jiang
2023-02-06 22:17   ` Lukas Wunner
2023-02-07 20:55     ` Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 15:31   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 20:51 ` [PATCH 17/18] cxl: Attach QTG IDs to the DPA ranges for the device Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 15:34   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-02-06 20:52 ` [PATCH 18/18] cxl: Export sysfs attributes for device QTG IDs Dave Jiang
2023-02-09 15:41   ` Jonathan Cameron
2023-03-23 23:20     ` Dan Williams

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