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Subject: Re: [RFC v2 10/13] keys/mktme: Add the MKTME Key Service type for memory encryption
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 08:54:42 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e73fc3886a4a954bbc06b85e2da7728159cea9a7.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a19a48ae1d6434a1764b02c2376a99130ce15174.camel@intel.com>
On Thu, 2018-12-06 at 00:51 -0800, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Mon, 2018-12-03 at 23:39 -0800, Alison Schofield wrote:
> > MKTME (Multi-Key Total Memory Encryption) is a technology that allows
> > transparent memory encryption in upcoming Intel platforms. MKTME will
> > support mulitple encryption domains, each having their own key. The main
> > use case for the feature is virtual machine isolation. The API needs the
> > flexibility to work for a wide range of uses.
>
> Some, maybe brutal, honesty (apologies)...
>
> Have never really got the grip why either SME or TME would make
> isolation any better. If you can break into hypervisor, you'll
> have these tools availabe:
>
> 1. Read page (in encrypted form).
> 2. Write page (for example replay as pages are not versioned).
>
> with all the side-channel possibilities of course since you can
> control the VMs (in which core they execute etc.).
>
> I've seen now SME presentation three times and it always leaves
> me an empty feeling. This feels the same same.
I.e. need to tell very explicitly the scenario where this will
help. Not saying that this should resolve everything but it must
resolve something.
/Jarkko
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-12-06 8:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-12-04 7:39 [RFC v2 00/13] Multi-Key Total Memory Encryption API (MKTME) Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 01/13] x86/mktme: Document the MKTME APIs Alison Schofield
2018-12-05 18:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05 19:22 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-05 23:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 8:04 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 02/13] mm: Generalize the mprotect implementation to support extensions Alison Schofield
2018-12-06 8:08 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 03/13] syscall/x86: Wire up a new system call for memory encryption keys Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 04/13] x86/mm: Add helper functions for MKTME " Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 9:14 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-05 5:49 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 15:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-05 5:52 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-06 8:31 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 05/13] x86/mm: Set KeyIDs in encrypted VMAs Alison Schofield
2018-12-06 8:37 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 06/13] mm: Add the encrypt_mprotect() system call Alison Schofield
2018-12-06 8:38 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 07/13] x86/mm: Add helpers for reference counting encrypted VMAs Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 8:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-05 5:28 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 08/13] mm: Use reference counting for " Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 09/13] mm: Restrict memory encryption to anonymous VMA's Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 9:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-05 5:30 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-05 9:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 10/13] keys/mktme: Add the MKTME Key Service type for memory encryption Alison Schofield
2018-12-06 8:51 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-06 8:54 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko [this message]
2018-12-06 15:11 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 22:56 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 11/13] keys/mktme: Program memory encryption keys on a system wide basis Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 9:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-04 9:50 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-12-05 5:44 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-05 5:43 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-05 9:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-05 17:26 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 7:39 ` [RFC v2 12/13] keys/mktme: Save MKTME data if kernel cmdline parameter allows Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 9:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-07 2:14 ` Huang, Kai
2018-12-07 3:42 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-07 6:39 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-07 6:45 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-07 11:47 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-12-04 7:40 ` [RFC v2 13/13] keys/mktme: Support CPU Hotplug for MKTME keys Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 9:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-05 5:32 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 9:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-05 5:36 ` Alison Schofield
2018-12-04 9:25 ` [RFC v2 00/13] Multi-Key Total Memory Encryption API (MKTME) Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-04 9:46 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-12-05 20:32 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-06 11:22 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-12-06 14:59 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-07 10:12 ` Huang, Kai
2018-12-06 21:23 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-07 11:54 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-12-04 19:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 20:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-04 20:32 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-05 22:19 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-07 2:05 ` Huang, Kai
2018-12-07 6:48 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2018-12-07 11:57 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2018-12-07 21:59 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-07 23:45 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-07 23:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-08 1:33 ` Huang, Kai
2018-12-08 3:53 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-12 15:31 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-12 16:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-12 16:43 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-12 23:27 ` Huang, Kai
2018-12-13 5:49 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-13 5:52 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
2018-12-12 23:24 ` Huang, Kai
2018-12-07 23:35 ` Eric Rannaud
2018-12-05 23:49 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 1:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 1:25 ` Dan Williams
2018-12-06 15:39 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-06 19:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-06 19:31 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-07 1:55 ` Huang, Kai
2018-12-07 4:23 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-07 23:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-12-08 1:11 ` Dave Hansen
2018-12-08 2:07 ` Huang, Kai
2018-12-05 20:30 ` Sakkinen, Jarkko
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