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From: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>
To: Crispin Cowan <crispin@novell.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Karl MacMillan <kmacmillan@tresys.com>,
	Gerrit Huizenga <gh@us.ibm.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	casey@schaufler-ca.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	fireflier-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:40:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1145450436.24289.39.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <444552A7.2020606@novell.com>

On Tue, 2006-04-18 at 13:57 -0700, Crispin Cowan wrote:
> SELinux has NSA legacy, and that is reflected in their inode design: it
> is much better at protecting secrecy, which is the NSA's historic
> mission. AppArmor has legacy in intrusion prevention, and so its primary
> design goal was to prevent compromised programs from compromising the
> host. Name-based access control is better at that, because it lets you
> directly control which programs can change the contents of path names
> that have critical semantic meaning in UNIX/Linux, such as /etc/shadow,
> /etc/hosts.allow, /srv/www/htdocs/index.html and so forth.

This is bunk, pure and simple.  The core security model of SELinux is
Type Enforcement, and Type Enforcement was originally used for
integrity, as a mechanism for complementing and filling in the gaps left
by the MLS (secrecy/confidentiality) model.  Type Enforcement can be
used for confidentiality as well, as it is just a simplification of the
Lampson access matrix, but its original goals were integrity oriented.
Name-based access control is _not_ better for integrity.  You don't want
trusted program FOO (e.g. /bin/su) to accept data from an untrustworthy
file that happens to be named /etc/shadow in your namespace, so you want
your integrity controls to be governed by the real security attributes
of the real object, not just its name.  The only argument I've seen
regarding "names are better for integrity" is that it is easier to
preserve the association when the object is re-created at that location.
But that association may be fallacious - if an untrustworthy process
re-created /etc/shadow, I don't want it to retain an association with
high integrity data.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-04-19 12:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 253+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-02  9:40 [RFC] packet/socket owner match (fireflier) using skfilter Török Edwin
2006-04-03 15:18 ` James Morris
2006-04-03 15:39   ` Török Edwin
2006-04-05 15:06     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-07 17:34       ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:24         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] fireflier LSM for labeling sockets based on its creator (owner) Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:27           ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] " Török Edwin
2006-04-12 19:11             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-14 20:02               ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:38           ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks Török Edwin
2006-04-12 17:42             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-14 20:01               ` [RESEND][RFC][PATCH " Török Edwin
2006-04-17 16:06                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 16:23                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-17 17:03                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 17:08                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 17:33                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-17 18:02                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-17 18:15                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 19:26                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-17 19:31                               ` James Morris
2006-04-17 19:47                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-17 20:02                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 14:52                                     ` David Safford
2006-04-19 15:26                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 17:57                                         ` Emily Ratliff
2006-04-19 18:33                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:27                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 15:47                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 22:15                                 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-17 22:48                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-17 22:58                                     ` James Morris
2006-04-18  2:00                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-17 22:55                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-18  1:44                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-18 11:58                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-18 16:50                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-18 17:27                                           ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-18 19:31                                             ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 19:50                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-18 20:13                                                 ` [Fireflier-devel] " Török Edwin
2006-04-18 20:31                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 19:33                                                     ` [Fireflier-devel] Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementationof " David Lang
2006-04-18 20:42                                                   ` [Fireflier-devel] Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of " Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 20:23                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 18:32                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 18:48                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 19:50                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 18:50                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 23:24                                                     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-18 20:14                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:35                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 21:07                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 12:22                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:26                                               ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 20:57                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 21:36                                                   ` James Morris
2006-04-18 23:09                                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 23:27                                                       ` Chris Wright
2006-04-18 23:57                                                       ` James Morris
2006-04-19  1:48                                                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  6:40                                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-19  6:56                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 11:41                                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 15:51                                                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 16:00                                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2006-04-20  6:51                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-20 12:40                                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21  1:00                                                                   ` Nix
2006-04-21 14:24                                                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24  8:14                                                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-25  0:19                                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  7:21                                                                           ` Nix
2006-04-19  7:44                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 11:53                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 12:56                                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 12:54                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 16:42                                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19 18:01                                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20  4:10                                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-20  4:29                                                                   ` James Morris
2006-04-20  4:56                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-18 23:16                                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18 23:19                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-19  5:22                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 12:40                                                   ` Stephen Smalley [this message]
2006-04-18 23:09                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  5:23                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-18 18:46                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 19:59                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 20:20                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:36                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 23:00                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  9:03                                             ` Bernhard R. Link
2006-04-18 21:38                                         ` Kurt Garloff
2006-04-19  7:04                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19  7:36                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 12:10                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 12:55                                             ` Yuichi Nakamura
2006-04-19 15:44                                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 16:02                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 16:06                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 21:10                                               ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 21:48                                                 ` Yuichi Nakamura
2006-04-20 12:44                                                 ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-19 13:09                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 11:59                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 23:09                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 19:37                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 13:05                             ` Kazuki Omo(Company)
2006-04-18 13:37                               ` James Morris
2006-04-18 14:45                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-18 15:51                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18 16:07                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 19:20                         ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) James Morris
2006-04-17 19:51                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 20:08                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 21:26                             ` Alan Cox
2006-04-17 23:26                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18  2:29                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-18 12:22                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 12:59                                   ` Stephen Smalley
     [not found]                                     ` <20060418132121.GE7562@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>
2006-04-18 13:40                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:13                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 23:01                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-20  0:19                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 15:27                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-21 15:23                                         ` Ken Brush
2006-04-21 19:51                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-22 20:52                                             ` Ken Brush
2006-04-23  9:45                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-24  8:24                                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24 12:42                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 12:44                                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24 12:45                                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-24 12:54                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:09                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 13:16                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:29                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 13:40                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:54                                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:07                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 19:06                                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-25  4:07                                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-24 14:08                                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-25 16:29                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 22:26                                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-26 12:14                                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26 16:03                                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-27  6:56                                                                   ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24 12:55                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 12:56                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:02                                                       ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:04                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:31                                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:28                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:45                                                           ` David Lang
2006-04-24 16:50                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 16:31                                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:23                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25  2:06                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  7:36                                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-20 21:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-23  3:50                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-23  9:33                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-23 14:58                                         ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24  8:28                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24  8:37                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24  8:54                                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24  9:12                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25  0:31                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-20 17:46                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-18  2:38                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19  8:16                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 15:40                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 16:33                                 ` James Morris
2006-04-19 18:10                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 19:33                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-20 12:39                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:51                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 15:00                                       ` Removing EXPORT_SYMBOL(security_ops) (was Re: Time to remove LSM) Greg KH
2006-04-20 14:20                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:15                                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-20 16:23                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 16:34                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:46                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-04-20 17:00                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 17:01                                                     ` [PATCH] make security_ops EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL() Greg KH
2006-04-20 18:08                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-20 19:34                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-04-21 16:50                                                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-21 17:34                                                             ` Chris Wright
2006-04-20 17:02                                         ` Removing EXPORT_SYMBOL(security_ops) (was Re: Time to remove LSM) Tony Jones
2006-04-20 20:14                                         ` Chris Wright
2006-04-19 19:22                                 ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 20:48                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 20:59                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 21:08                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-19 16:00                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 19:06                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 20:11                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 20:52                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-19 20:54                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 21:05                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-20 12:20                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 13:30                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-21 15:05                                       ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 13:45                                         ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:48                                           ` [PATCH 1/4] security_cap_extra() and more Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:49                                           ` [PATCH 2/4] Use of capable_light() Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:49                                           ` [PATCH 3/4] task_post_setgid() Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:50                                           ` [PATCH 4/4] MultiAdmin module Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 14:56                                             ` James Morris
2006-05-01 15:05                                             ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 13:50                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-01 16:03                                           ` [PATCH 4a/4] MultiAdmin LSM (LKCS'ed) Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 16:47                                             ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 17:42                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 18:07                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 20:19                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 21:47                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-01 20:56                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Pavel Machek
2006-05-02  4:22                                           ` James Morris
2006-04-21 16:25                                       ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 18:57                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-21 19:56                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-22 11:13                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-20 23:41                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-19 17:00                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-17 20:20                           ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:24                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:27                               ` Time to remove LSM David S. Miller
2006-04-17 20:27                               ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:34                                 ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 20:38                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:43                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:53                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:45                             ` alan
     [not found]                             ` <2e00cdfd0604171437g1d6c6923w5db82f317ed0f56@mail.gmail.com>
2006-04-17 22:07                               ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 22:10                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:51                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-04-17 20:08                         ` [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks David S. Miller
2006-04-17 18:20                   ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:39           ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] sidtab - hashtable to store SIDs Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:41           ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] exports Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:43           ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] debugging/testing support Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:44           ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] userspace Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:46           ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] stacking support for capability module Török Edwin
2006-04-07 19:18             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-07 19:45           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] fireflier LSM for labeling sockets based on its creator (owner) Chris Wright
2006-04-08  7:41             ` edwin
2006-04-21 15:26 ` [RFC] packet/socket owner match (fireflier) using skfilter Mikado
2006-04-21 16:18   ` Török Edwin

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