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From: Crispin Cowan <crispin@novell.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	T?r?k Edwin <edwin@gurde.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks)
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 13:13:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4445484F.1050006@novell.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200604180229.k3I2TXXA017777@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>

Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> If we heave the LSM stuff overboard, there's one thing that *will* need
> addressing - what to do with kernel support of Posix-y capabilities.  Currently
> some of the heavy lifting is done by security/commoncap.c.
>
> Frankly, that's *another* thing that we need to either *fix* so it works right,
> or rip out of the kernel entirely.  As far as I know, there's no in-tree way
> to make /usr/bin/ping be set-CAP_NET_RAW and have it DTRT.
>   
This has actually been one of the interesting developments in AppArmor.
I also had no use for POSIX.1e capabilities; I thought they were so
awkward as to be useless. That is, until we integrated capabilities into
AppArmor profiles.

Consider this profile for /bin/stty
/bin/stty {
  #include <abstractions/base>

  capability sys_tty_config,

  /bin/stty r,
}

This policy basically allows stty to run, read its own text file, and
use the capability sys_tty_config. Even though it may run as root, this
profile confines it to *only* have sys_tty_config.

This gives the system administrator the ability to force applications to
"drop" privs even when the application developer didn't bother, or (as
was the case in a Sendmail vulnerability several years ago) the
application *tried* to drop privs and got it wrong, so was running as
full root anyway.

Capabilities are very easy and natural to use in an AppArmor system. And
they don't require any upstream filesystem support. SELinux provides
similar support for Capabilities, so they are worth keeping even without
upstream filesystem support.

Crispin

-- 
Crispin Cowan, Ph.D.                      http://crispincowan.com/~crispin/
Director of Software Engineering, Novell  http://novell.com


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-04-18 20:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 253+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-02  9:40 [RFC] packet/socket owner match (fireflier) using skfilter Török Edwin
2006-04-03 15:18 ` James Morris
2006-04-03 15:39   ` Török Edwin
2006-04-05 15:06     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-07 17:34       ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:24         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] fireflier LSM for labeling sockets based on its creator (owner) Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:27           ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] " Török Edwin
2006-04-12 19:11             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-14 20:02               ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:38           ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks Török Edwin
2006-04-12 17:42             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-14 20:01               ` [RESEND][RFC][PATCH " Török Edwin
2006-04-17 16:06                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 16:23                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-17 17:03                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 17:08                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 17:33                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-17 18:02                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-17 18:15                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 19:26                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-17 19:31                               ` James Morris
2006-04-17 19:47                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-17 20:02                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 14:52                                     ` David Safford
2006-04-19 15:26                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 17:57                                         ` Emily Ratliff
2006-04-19 18:33                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:27                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 15:47                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 22:15                                 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-17 22:48                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-17 22:58                                     ` James Morris
2006-04-18  2:00                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-17 22:55                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-18  1:44                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-18 11:58                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-18 16:50                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-18 17:27                                           ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-18 19:31                                             ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 19:50                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-18 20:13                                                 ` [Fireflier-devel] " Török Edwin
2006-04-18 20:31                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 19:33                                                     ` [Fireflier-devel] Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementationof " David Lang
2006-04-18 20:42                                                   ` [Fireflier-devel] Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of " Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 20:23                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 18:32                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 18:48                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 19:50                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 18:50                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 23:24                                                     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-18 20:14                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:35                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 21:07                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 12:22                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:26                                               ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 20:57                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 21:36                                                   ` James Morris
2006-04-18 23:09                                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 23:27                                                       ` Chris Wright
2006-04-18 23:57                                                       ` James Morris
2006-04-19  1:48                                                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  6:40                                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-19  6:56                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 11:41                                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 15:51                                                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 16:00                                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2006-04-20  6:51                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-20 12:40                                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21  1:00                                                                   ` Nix
2006-04-21 14:24                                                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24  8:14                                                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-25  0:19                                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  7:21                                                                           ` Nix
2006-04-19  7:44                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 11:53                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 12:56                                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 12:54                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 16:42                                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19 18:01                                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20  4:10                                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-20  4:29                                                                   ` James Morris
2006-04-20  4:56                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-18 23:16                                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18 23:19                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-19  5:22                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 12:40                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 23:09                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  5:23                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-18 18:46                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 19:59                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 20:20                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:36                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 23:00                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  9:03                                             ` Bernhard R. Link
2006-04-18 21:38                                         ` Kurt Garloff
2006-04-19  7:04                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19  7:36                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 12:10                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 12:55                                             ` Yuichi Nakamura
2006-04-19 15:44                                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 16:02                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 16:06                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 21:10                                               ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 21:48                                                 ` Yuichi Nakamura
2006-04-20 12:44                                                 ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-19 13:09                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 11:59                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 23:09                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 19:37                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 13:05                             ` Kazuki Omo(Company)
2006-04-18 13:37                               ` James Morris
2006-04-18 14:45                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-18 15:51                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18 16:07                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 19:20                         ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) James Morris
2006-04-17 19:51                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 20:08                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 21:26                             ` Alan Cox
2006-04-17 23:26                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18  2:29                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-18 12:22                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 12:59                                   ` Stephen Smalley
     [not found]                                     ` <20060418132121.GE7562@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>
2006-04-18 13:40                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:13                                 ` Crispin Cowan [this message]
2006-04-18 23:01                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-20  0:19                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 15:27                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-21 15:23                                         ` Ken Brush
2006-04-21 19:51                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-22 20:52                                             ` Ken Brush
2006-04-23  9:45                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-24  8:24                                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24 12:42                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 12:44                                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24 12:45                                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-24 12:54                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:09                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 13:16                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:29                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 13:40                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:54                                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:07                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 19:06                                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-25  4:07                                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-24 14:08                                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-25 16:29                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 22:26                                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-26 12:14                                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26 16:03                                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-27  6:56                                                                   ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24 12:55                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 12:56                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:02                                                       ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:04                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:31                                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:28                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:45                                                           ` David Lang
2006-04-24 16:50                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 16:31                                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:23                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25  2:06                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  7:36                                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-20 21:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-23  3:50                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-23  9:33                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-23 14:58                                         ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24  8:28                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24  8:37                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24  8:54                                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24  9:12                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25  0:31                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-20 17:46                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-18  2:38                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19  8:16                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 15:40                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 16:33                                 ` James Morris
2006-04-19 18:10                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 19:33                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-20 12:39                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:51                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 15:00                                       ` Removing EXPORT_SYMBOL(security_ops) (was Re: Time to remove LSM) Greg KH
2006-04-20 14:20                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:15                                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-20 16:23                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 16:34                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:46                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-04-20 17:00                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 17:01                                                     ` [PATCH] make security_ops EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL() Greg KH
2006-04-20 18:08                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-20 19:34                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-04-21 16:50                                                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-21 17:34                                                             ` Chris Wright
2006-04-20 17:02                                         ` Removing EXPORT_SYMBOL(security_ops) (was Re: Time to remove LSM) Tony Jones
2006-04-20 20:14                                         ` Chris Wright
2006-04-19 19:22                                 ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 20:48                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 20:59                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 21:08                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-19 16:00                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 19:06                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 20:11                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 20:52                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-19 20:54                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 21:05                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-20 12:20                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 13:30                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-21 15:05                                       ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 13:45                                         ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:48                                           ` [PATCH 1/4] security_cap_extra() and more Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:49                                           ` [PATCH 2/4] Use of capable_light() Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:49                                           ` [PATCH 3/4] task_post_setgid() Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:50                                           ` [PATCH 4/4] MultiAdmin module Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 14:56                                             ` James Morris
2006-05-01 15:05                                             ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 13:50                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-01 16:03                                           ` [PATCH 4a/4] MultiAdmin LSM (LKCS'ed) Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 16:47                                             ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 17:42                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 18:07                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 20:19                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 21:47                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-01 20:56                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Pavel Machek
2006-05-02  4:22                                           ` James Morris
2006-04-21 16:25                                       ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 18:57                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-21 19:56                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-22 11:13                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-20 23:41                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-19 17:00                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-17 20:20                           ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:24                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:27                               ` Time to remove LSM David S. Miller
2006-04-17 20:27                               ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:34                                 ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 20:38                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:43                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:53                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:45                             ` alan
     [not found]                             ` <2e00cdfd0604171437g1d6c6923w5db82f317ed0f56@mail.gmail.com>
2006-04-17 22:07                               ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 22:10                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:51                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-04-17 20:08                         ` [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks David S. Miller
2006-04-17 18:20                   ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:39           ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] sidtab - hashtable to store SIDs Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:41           ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] exports Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:43           ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] debugging/testing support Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:44           ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] userspace Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:46           ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] stacking support for capability module Török Edwin
2006-04-07 19:18             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-07 19:45           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] fireflier LSM for labeling sockets based on its creator (owner) Chris Wright
2006-04-08  7:41             ` edwin
2006-04-21 15:26 ` [RFC] packet/socket owner match (fireflier) using skfilter Mikado
2006-04-21 16:18   ` Török Edwin

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