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From: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	T?r?k Edwin <edwin@gurde.com>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks)
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:20:55 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0604171454070.17563@d.namei> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060417173319.GA11506@infradead.org>

On Mon, 17 Apr 2006, Christoph Hellwig wrote:

> > Or, better, remove LSM itself ;)
> 
> Seriously that makes a lot of sense.  All other modules people have come up
> with over the last years are irrelevant and/or broken by design.

It's been nearly a year since I proposed this, and we've not seen any 
appropriate LSM modules submitted in that time.

See
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.lsm/1120
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.lsm/1088

The only reason I can see to not delete it immediately is to give BSD 
secure levels users a heads-up, although I thought it was already slated 
for removal.  BSD secure levels is fundamentally broken and should 
never have gone into mainline.

How about enough time to get us to 2.6.18, say, two months?


Signed-off-by: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>

--- linux-2.6.17-rc1.o/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt	2006-04-15 19:57:53.000000000 -0400
+++ linux-2.6.17-rc1.x/Documentation/feature-removal-schedule.txt	2006-04-17 15:18:15.000000000 -0400
@@ -246,3 +246,27 @@ Why:	The interface no longer has any cal
 Who:	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
 
 ---------------------------
+
+What:	LSM (Linux Security Modules) including BSD Secure Levels.
+When:	June 2006
+Why:	In the years since LSM was included in the mainline kernel, SELinux
+        has been the only significant module implemented and also included
+        in the mainline kernel.  So we have a generalized framework for
+        one user, SELinux, which itself is a generalized framework.
+        Thus, LSM will be removed, as it adds unecessary infrastructure,
+        performance overhead and complicates the code.  It also attracts
+        a regular stream of misconceived and broken security module
+        submissions to mainline, such as BSD Security Levels, and
+        developers are seeing LSM as the answer to everything rather
+        than really thinking about what they need and how to architect
+        the code properly and generally.  There is also a growing number
+        of proprietary modules hooking into LSM in usafe ways, not 
+        necessarily even for security purposes.  The LSM interface
+        semantics are too weak and such an API does not belong in the
+        mainline kernel.
+        See also, previous discussions on the issue:
+        http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.lsm/1120
+        http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.lsm/1088
+Who:	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>
+
+---------------------------




  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-04-17 19:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 253+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-02  9:40 [RFC] packet/socket owner match (fireflier) using skfilter Török Edwin
2006-04-03 15:18 ` James Morris
2006-04-03 15:39   ` Török Edwin
2006-04-05 15:06     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-07 17:34       ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:24         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] fireflier LSM for labeling sockets based on its creator (owner) Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:27           ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] " Török Edwin
2006-04-12 19:11             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-14 20:02               ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:38           ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks Török Edwin
2006-04-12 17:42             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-14 20:01               ` [RESEND][RFC][PATCH " Török Edwin
2006-04-17 16:06                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 16:23                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-17 17:03                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 17:08                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 17:33                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-17 18:02                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-17 18:15                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 19:26                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-17 19:31                               ` James Morris
2006-04-17 19:47                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-17 20:02                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 14:52                                     ` David Safford
2006-04-19 15:26                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 17:57                                         ` Emily Ratliff
2006-04-19 18:33                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:27                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 15:47                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 22:15                                 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-17 22:48                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-17 22:58                                     ` James Morris
2006-04-18  2:00                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-17 22:55                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-18  1:44                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-18 11:58                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-18 16:50                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-18 17:27                                           ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-18 19:31                                             ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 19:50                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-18 20:13                                                 ` [Fireflier-devel] " Török Edwin
2006-04-18 20:31                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 19:33                                                     ` [Fireflier-devel] Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementationof " David Lang
2006-04-18 20:42                                                   ` [Fireflier-devel] Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of " Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 20:23                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 18:32                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 18:48                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 19:50                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 18:50                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 23:24                                                     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-18 20:14                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:35                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 21:07                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 12:22                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:26                                               ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 20:57                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 21:36                                                   ` James Morris
2006-04-18 23:09                                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 23:27                                                       ` Chris Wright
2006-04-18 23:57                                                       ` James Morris
2006-04-19  1:48                                                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  6:40                                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-19  6:56                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 11:41                                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 15:51                                                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 16:00                                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2006-04-20  6:51                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-20 12:40                                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21  1:00                                                                   ` Nix
2006-04-21 14:24                                                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24  8:14                                                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-25  0:19                                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  7:21                                                                           ` Nix
2006-04-19  7:44                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 11:53                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 12:56                                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 12:54                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 16:42                                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19 18:01                                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20  4:10                                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-20  4:29                                                                   ` James Morris
2006-04-20  4:56                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-18 23:16                                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18 23:19                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-19  5:22                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 12:40                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 23:09                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  5:23                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-18 18:46                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 19:59                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 20:20                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:36                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 23:00                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  9:03                                             ` Bernhard R. Link
2006-04-18 21:38                                         ` Kurt Garloff
2006-04-19  7:04                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19  7:36                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 12:10                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 12:55                                             ` Yuichi Nakamura
2006-04-19 15:44                                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 16:02                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 16:06                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 21:10                                               ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 21:48                                                 ` Yuichi Nakamura
2006-04-20 12:44                                                 ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-19 13:09                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 11:59                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 23:09                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 19:37                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 13:05                             ` Kazuki Omo(Company)
2006-04-18 13:37                               ` James Morris
2006-04-18 14:45                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-18 15:51                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18 16:07                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 19:20                         ` James Morris [this message]
2006-04-17 19:51                           ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Greg KH
2006-04-17 20:08                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 21:26                             ` Alan Cox
2006-04-17 23:26                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18  2:29                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-18 12:22                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 12:59                                   ` Stephen Smalley
     [not found]                                     ` <20060418132121.GE7562@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>
2006-04-18 13:40                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:13                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 23:01                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-20  0:19                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 15:27                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-21 15:23                                         ` Ken Brush
2006-04-21 19:51                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-22 20:52                                             ` Ken Brush
2006-04-23  9:45                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-24  8:24                                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24 12:42                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 12:44                                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24 12:45                                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-24 12:54                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:09                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 13:16                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:29                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 13:40                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:54                                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:07                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 19:06                                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-25  4:07                                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-24 14:08                                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-25 16:29                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 22:26                                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-26 12:14                                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26 16:03                                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-27  6:56                                                                   ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24 12:55                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 12:56                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:02                                                       ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:04                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:31                                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:28                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:45                                                           ` David Lang
2006-04-24 16:50                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 16:31                                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:23                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25  2:06                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  7:36                                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-20 21:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-23  3:50                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-23  9:33                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-23 14:58                                         ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24  8:28                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24  8:37                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24  8:54                                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24  9:12                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25  0:31                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-20 17:46                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-18  2:38                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19  8:16                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 15:40                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 16:33                                 ` James Morris
2006-04-19 18:10                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 19:33                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-20 12:39                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:51                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 15:00                                       ` Removing EXPORT_SYMBOL(security_ops) (was Re: Time to remove LSM) Greg KH
2006-04-20 14:20                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:15                                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-20 16:23                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 16:34                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:46                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-04-20 17:00                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 17:01                                                     ` [PATCH] make security_ops EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL() Greg KH
2006-04-20 18:08                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-20 19:34                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-04-21 16:50                                                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-21 17:34                                                             ` Chris Wright
2006-04-20 17:02                                         ` Removing EXPORT_SYMBOL(security_ops) (was Re: Time to remove LSM) Tony Jones
2006-04-20 20:14                                         ` Chris Wright
2006-04-19 19:22                                 ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 20:48                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 20:59                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 21:08                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-19 16:00                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 19:06                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 20:11                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 20:52                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-19 20:54                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 21:05                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-20 12:20                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 13:30                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-21 15:05                                       ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 13:45                                         ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:48                                           ` [PATCH 1/4] security_cap_extra() and more Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:49                                           ` [PATCH 2/4] Use of capable_light() Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:49                                           ` [PATCH 3/4] task_post_setgid() Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:50                                           ` [PATCH 4/4] MultiAdmin module Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 14:56                                             ` James Morris
2006-05-01 15:05                                             ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 13:50                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-01 16:03                                           ` [PATCH 4a/4] MultiAdmin LSM (LKCS'ed) Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 16:47                                             ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 17:42                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 18:07                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 20:19                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 21:47                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-01 20:56                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Pavel Machek
2006-05-02  4:22                                           ` James Morris
2006-04-21 16:25                                       ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 18:57                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-21 19:56                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-22 11:13                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-20 23:41                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-19 17:00                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-17 20:20                           ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:24                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:27                               ` Time to remove LSM David S. Miller
2006-04-17 20:27                               ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:34                                 ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 20:38                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:43                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:53                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:45                             ` alan
     [not found]                             ` <2e00cdfd0604171437g1d6c6923w5db82f317ed0f56@mail.gmail.com>
2006-04-17 22:07                               ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 22:10                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:51                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-04-17 20:08                         ` [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks David S. Miller
2006-04-17 18:20                   ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:39           ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] sidtab - hashtable to store SIDs Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:41           ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] exports Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:43           ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] debugging/testing support Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:44           ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] userspace Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:46           ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] stacking support for capability module Török Edwin
2006-04-07 19:18             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-07 19:45           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] fireflier LSM for labeling sockets based on its creator (owner) Chris Wright
2006-04-08  7:41             ` edwin
2006-04-21 15:26 ` [RFC] packet/socket owner match (fireflier) using skfilter Mikado
2006-04-21 16:18   ` Török Edwin

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