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From: Jim Gettys <jg@laptop.org>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: jesse.barnes@intel.com, zaitcev@redhat.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BSOD
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:20:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1174335650.6832.156.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070319.130544.115907938.davem@davemloft.net>

I agree with David and Jessie.

All the kernel needs to know for oopses is frame buffer depth, start,
stride, and how to get the GPU to "stop" (or it may very well overwrite
the screen).  Trying to get back to a default mode setting first in the
middle of oopsing is very unlikely to succeed.

The time you want mode switching (or lack othereof) is at suspend/resume
time, not at oopses.

This presumes the frame buffer is accessible in the address space of the
kernel.  There have been display devices where this is not true; but not
many.
                               - Jim




On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 13:05 -0700, David Miller wrote:
> From: Jesse Barnes <jesse.barnes@intel.com>
> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:54:36 -0700
> 
> > Kernel based modesetting should get us a lot of things:
> 
> But for panics you're ignoring what Peter and I are saying.
> 
> Mode setting is complex and it is not going to work exactly when you
> need the kernel crash message the most.
> 
> After debugging the kernel for 10+ years I can tell you one thing, for
> a bad crash what's going to happen is you'll get the printk but that's
> about all that will work at that point, and the kernel is going to
> hang next.  Sometimes you won't get the whole panic message, just
> the beginning, even with the most simplistic printk implementation.
> 
> You will not, I repeat, will not be able to mode switch or anything
> non-trivial like that when the kernel is in this state.
> 
> Mode switching on panic, just say no. :-)
> 
-- 
Jim Gettys
One Laptop Per Child



  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-03-19 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-28  5:16 Linux 2.6.21-rc2 Linus Torvalds
2007-02-28  5:50 ` Gabriel C
2007-02-28  7:13 ` [PATCH] affinity is not defined in non-smp kernels - i386 Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2007-02-28  7:16   ` [PATCH] affinity is not defined in non-smp kernels - i386 (v2) Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2007-02-28  7:24   ` [PATCH] affinity is not defined in non-smp kernels - i386 Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-28 17:31     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-02-28 18:21       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-28 18:30       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-02-28  7:42   ` [PATCH] affinity is not defined in non-smp kernels - i386 (v2) Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2007-02-28  7:17 ` [PATCH] affinity is not defined in non-smp kernels - x86_64 Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2007-02-28  7:23 ` Linux 2.6.21-rc2 David Brown
2007-02-28  7:39 ` Brice Goglin
2007-02-28 13:09   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-02-28 16:44     ` David Brown
2007-02-28 17:07       ` Randy Dunlap
2007-02-28  7:41 ` [PATCH] affinity is not defined in non-smp kernels - x86_64 Fernando Luis Vázquez Cao
2007-02-28  7:59 ` Linux 2.6.21-rc2 Damien Wyart
2007-03-05  1:50 ` [1/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05  2:26   ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-05  3:35   ` Greg KH
2007-03-06  0:55     ` Johannes Berg
2007-03-05  4:01   ` Mark Lord
2007-03-05  4:34     ` Greg KH
2007-03-05 12:42       ` Marcel Holtmann
2007-03-05  4:34   ` [BUG} usb regression in 2.6.21-rc2-git3 Mark Lord
2007-03-05  4:37     ` [BUG] sdhci regression in 2.6.21-rc2 Mark Lord
2007-03-05  5:36       ` Pierre Ossman
2007-03-05 14:25         ` Mark Lord
2007-03-05 15:19           ` Mark Lord
2007-03-06  4:17             ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-06  5:47               ` Pierre Ossman
2007-03-06  6:09                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-06  7:23                   ` Pierre Ossman
2007-03-05 15:20           ` Pierre Ossman
2007-03-05 15:23             ` Pierre Ossman
2007-03-05 15:35               ` Mark Lord
2007-03-05 16:00                 ` Pierre Ossman
2007-03-05 16:18                   ` Mark Lord
2007-03-05  4:43     ` [BUG} usb regression in 2.6.21-rc2-git3 Mark Lord
2007-03-12 14:56     ` [BUG} usb-serial " Mark Lord
2007-03-12 15:06       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 15:13         ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 15:27           ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 15:29           ` Greg KH
2007-03-12 15:38             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 16:03             ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 16:10               ` Greg KH
2007-03-12 16:22                 ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 16:11               ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 16:14                 ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 16:27                   ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 16:50                     ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 18:48                       ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 20:22                         ` [PATCH] usb-serial regression (Oops) in 2.6.21-rc* Mark Lord
2007-03-12 20:33                           ` Greg KH
2007-03-12 22:20                             ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 22:42                             ` Jim Radford
2007-03-12 22:59                               ` [PATCH] usb-serial regression fix Jim Radford
2007-03-13  0:18                                 ` Greg KH
2007-03-13  0:41                                   ` Jim Radford
2007-03-13  1:55                                     ` Mark Lord
2007-03-13  9:14                                       ` Jim Radford
2007-03-13 10:14                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-13 13:39                                           ` Mark Lord
2007-03-13 13:50                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-03-13 13:55                                         ` Mark Lord
2007-03-13 15:30                                           ` Jim Radford
2007-03-13 16:35                                             ` Mark Lord
2007-03-12 16:28                 ` [BUG} usb-serial regression in 2.6.21-rc2-git3 Oliver Neukum
2007-03-12 15:31       ` Greg KH
2007-03-07 11:06   ` [1/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions Jeff Garzik
2007-03-07 22:17     ` Albert Hopkins
2007-03-05  1:50 ` [2/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-07 11:09   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-07 16:10     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-08 12:03     ` Ash Milsted
2007-03-08 12:31   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-08 15:11     ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-08 18:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-08 19:06       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 19:10         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 19:47         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-08 20:10           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 19:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 23:07         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 23:12           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 23:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-08 23:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 10:56             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-09 18:00               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-09 11:19             ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-18 16:07               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-18 16:40                 ` [linux-pm] " Jim Gettys
2007-03-19 19:08                   ` BSOD (was: [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions) Pete Zaitcev
2007-03-19 19:38                     ` BSOD David Miller
2007-03-19 19:54                       ` BSOD Jesse Barnes
2007-03-19 20:05                         ` BSOD David Miller
2007-03-19 20:20                           ` BSOD Jesse Barnes
2007-03-19 20:20                           ` Jim Gettys [this message]
2007-03-20  9:19                           ` BSOD Paul Mackerras
2007-03-20 20:33                             ` BSOD Jim Gettys
2007-03-19 20:33                   ` [linux-pm] [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions Bill Davidsen
2007-03-19 22:08                     ` Jim Gettys
2007-03-20 14:44                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-09 17:48             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-03-09 23:35               ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-10  9:01                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-10 11:43                   ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-03-10 13:53                     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2007-03-10 15:18                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-10 22:08                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-11  8:20                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-12  6:34                           ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-03-10 22:04                   ` s2ram (was Re: [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions) Pavel Machek
2007-03-08 19:46       ` [2/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-08 19:57       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
     [not found]         ` <20070311120802.GA8823@elte.hu>
2007-03-12 20:20           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-17 21:41             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-17 22:33               ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 17:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05  1:50 ` [3/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05  3:58   ` Michal Jaegermann
2007-03-06 17:08   ` Alan Cox
2007-03-07 11:12   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-03-10  1:09     ` Mathieu Bérard
2007-03-10  4:11       ` and try remove another quirk on this computers " Sergio Monteiro Basto
2007-03-10  5:41         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-11  4:32           ` Sergio Monteiro Basto
2007-03-12 11:37       ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-13 12:31         ` Mathieu Bérard
2007-03-13 12:41           ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-13 20:56             ` Mathieu Bérard
2007-03-14  6:07               ` Tejun Heo
2007-03-14 10:49                 ` Mathieu Bérard
2007-03-05  1:50 ` [4/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05 10:35   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2007-03-05 15:06     ` Andrew
2007-03-08 23:28     ` Len Brown
2007-03-09 19:25       ` Andrew
2007-03-05 12:21   ` Richard Purdie
2007-03-05  1:50 ` [5/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05  7:57   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05  8:13     ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-05 15:25       ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-05 15:27         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 16:42           ` Daniel Walker
2007-03-05 19:30             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 16:14     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-03-05 16:21       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-05 23:12     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05 23:43   ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-05 23:45     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06  0:25       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06  6:49         ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-03-06  7:49           ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-03-06  0:38       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06  1:02         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06  1:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06  2:18             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06  7:25               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06  8:09                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06 10:33               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-06 10:37                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 10:46                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-06 11:32                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 12:20                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-06 16:44                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-06 17:05                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 17:29                         ` [PATCH] highres: do not run the TIMER_SOFTIRQ after switching to highres mode Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06 17:41                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-03-16 15:18                         ` [5/6] 2.6.21-rc2: known regressions Randy Dunlap
2007-03-06 11:36                     ` Soeren Sonnenburg
2007-03-06 12:07                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 12:15                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-06 12:51                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 12:55                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-06 13:03                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-03-06 13:09                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-06 12:09                       ` Jeff Chua
2007-03-11 17:32                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-03-06 10:33               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2007-03-05  1:50 ` [6/6] " Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05  2:07   ` David Miller
2007-03-05  2:26     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-03-05  2:29       ` David Miller
2007-03-05  4:42       ` David Miller
2007-03-05  3:32   ` Greg KH

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