linux-kernel.vger.kernel.org archive mirror
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
Cc: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, hbryan@us.ibm.com,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [Request for inclusion] Filesystem in Userspace
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 18:13:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041127171318.GA1319@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0411271200580.12575@chimarrao.boston.redhat.com>

Hi!

> >The solution I'm thinking is along the lines of accounting the number
> >of writable pages assigned to FUSE filesystems.  Limiting this should
> >solve the deadlock problem.  This would only impact performance for
> >shared writable mappings, which are rare anyway.
> 
> Note that NFS, and any filesystems on iSCSI or g/e/ndb block
> devices have the exact same problem.  To explain why this is
> the case, lets start with the VM allocation and pageout
> thresholds:
> 
>   pages_min ------------------
> 
>  GFP_ATOMIC ------------------
> 
> PF_MEMALLOC ------------------
> 
> 	  0 ------------------
> 
> When writing out a dirty page, the pageout code is allowed
> to allocate network buffers down to the PF_MEMALLOC boundary.
> 
> However, when receiving the ACK network packets from the server,
> the network stack is only allowed to allocate memory down to the
> GFP_ATOMIC watermark.

Ouch... Shame on me, I never realized that this is a problem. I knew
that swapping over nbd does not work, but I did not realize that
writeout is as critical as swapping...

:-(. This means that read/write nbd is pretty bad idea. I wonder why
it is not broken for people? Probably noone uses so big ammount of
data over nbd...

Can you describe that solution? You can do it anonymously if you want
to ;-)))).
								Pavel
-- 
People were complaining that M$ turns users into beta-testers...
...jr ghea gurz vagb qrirybcref, naq gurl frrz gb yvxr vg gung jnl!

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-27 17:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-15 21:15 [PATCH] [Request for inclusion] Filesystem in Userspace Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-15 21:43 ` Greg KH
2004-11-15 22:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-16  9:08   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16  9:18     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-16  9:40       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16  9:46         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-16  9:52           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:17             ` David Woodhouse
2004-11-16 10:25               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:13     ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 10:20       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:35         ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 10:42           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 12:19             ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 11:01           ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-11-16 11:20             ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 15:18               ` Ralph Corderoy
2004-11-16 12:31             ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 11:02         ` Jan Kratochvil
2004-11-16 14:01           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 16:33             ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 16:45               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 17:03                 ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 17:50                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 17:58                     ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:09                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:16                         ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:30                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:38                             ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:24                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 19:32                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:42                             ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-16 19:48                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 20:12                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 15:42               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 16:57                 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:10                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 17:33                     ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:38                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 17:58                         ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 18:09                           ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 19:58                             ` Mike Waychison
2004-11-17 18:53                           ` [PATCH] " Al Viro
2004-11-17 17:56                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:11                     ` Greg KH
2004-11-17 18:17                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:20                     ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:52                 ` Greg KH
2004-11-17 15:36             ` Alan Cox
2004-11-17 21:37               ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-17 19:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-17 19:45   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 20:44     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18  8:17       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 14:46         ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-21  7:42           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21  7:50             ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21  9:50             ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-21 10:31               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 10:39                 ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-21 11:29                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 11:53                     ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-21 12:01                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 18:13             ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-22 16:12               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 17:00         ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 17:14           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:49             ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 19:12               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19  7:01               ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-20 12:00             ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-18 17:12         ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 17:28           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:01             ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 17:29               ` Alan Cox
2004-11-18 18:55                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:28                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19  9:46                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 20:57                   ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-24  6:20                     ` Daniel Phillips
2004-11-24 12:15                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-24 13:05                   ` Miklos Szeredi
     [not found]                     ` <200411242001.59504.oliver@neukum.org>
2004-11-24 19:20                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  6:26                     ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-25  7:29                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  7:47                         ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-25  9:15                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25  9:54                           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-30 18:44                     ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 19:16                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 19:55                         ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 21:13                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 21:37                             ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 21:58                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 22:57                                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 23:19                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-12-15 17:55                                     ` Avi Kivity
2004-12-15 21:49                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-12-03 22:07                               ` Daniel Phillips
2004-12-15 17:45                                 ` Avi Kivity
2004-12-01  7:16                             ` Jan Hudec
2004-12-01 13:35                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 21:54                       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 18:21               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 18:56                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 19:16                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:33                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 19:43                         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 20:05                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 20:13                       ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-18 21:06                     ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-18 21:33                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19 11:27                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-27 17:07                         ` Rik van Riel
2004-11-27 17:13                           ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-12-03 22:07                           ` Daniel Phillips
2004-11-18 20:16                   ` Elladan
2004-11-18 18:28               ` Jamie Lokier
2004-11-18 18:47                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:12             ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 19:51               ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 22:00                 ` Jan Hudec

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=20041127171318.GA1319@elf.ucw.cz \
    --to=pavel@ucw.cz \
    --cc=akpm@osdl.org \
    --cc=hbryan@us.ibm.com \
    --cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=miklos@szeredi.hu \
    --cc=riel@redhat.com \
    --cc=torvalds@osdl.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).