From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: hbryan@us.ibm.com, akpm@osdl.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pavel@ucw.cz
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [Request for inclusion] Filesystem in Userspace
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:31:27 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411181027070.2222@ppc970.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1CUquZ-0004Az-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Miklos Szeredi wrote:
>
> Well, killing the fuse process _will_ make the system come back to
> life, since then all the dirty pages belonging to the filesystem will
> be discarded.
They will? Why? They're still mapped into other processes, still dirty.
How do they go away?
> > I really do believe that user-space filesystems have problems. There's a
> > reason we tend to do them in kernel space.
>
> Well, NFS with a network failure has the same problem. It's not the
> userspace that's the problem, it's the non-reliability.
No, it _is_ the userspace.
Yes, NFS is unreliable too, but it doesn't have the behaviour that when
the client locks up, the server locks up too. The two aren't "linked", and
they are protected from each other using up too much memory.
In contrast, a fuse process that needs to do IO is _not_ protected from
the clients having eaten up all the memory it needs to do the IO.
Btw, this is not a new issue. This is the _exact_ same issue that "run the
NFS server on the same machine as the client" has. And yes, it did have
problems. People still did it, because it allowed for user-space
filesystem demos.
> Currently shared writable mappings aren't allowed for non-root by
> default in FUSE.
Yes, that's a valid approach.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-11-18 18:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-11-15 21:15 [PATCH] [Request for inclusion] Filesystem in Userspace Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-15 21:43 ` Greg KH
2004-11-15 22:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-16 9:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 9:18 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-16 9:40 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 9:46 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-16 9:52 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:17 ` David Woodhouse
2004-11-16 10:25 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:13 ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 10:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 10:35 ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 10:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 12:19 ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 11:01 ` Simon Braunschmidt
2004-11-16 11:20 ` Pekka Enberg
2004-11-16 15:18 ` Ralph Corderoy
2004-11-16 12:31 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 11:02 ` Jan Kratochvil
2004-11-16 14:01 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 16:33 ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 16:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 17:03 ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 17:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 17:58 ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:09 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:16 ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:30 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:38 ` Greg KH
2004-11-16 19:24 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 19:32 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-16 19:42 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-16 19:48 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-16 20:12 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 15:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 16:57 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:10 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 17:33 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:38 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 17:58 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 18:09 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-17 19:58 ` Mike Waychison
2004-11-17 18:53 ` [PATCH] " Al Viro
2004-11-17 17:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:11 ` Greg KH
2004-11-17 18:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 18:20 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-17 17:52 ` Greg KH
2004-11-17 15:36 ` Alan Cox
2004-11-17 21:37 ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-17 19:00 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-17 19:45 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-17 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 8:17 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 14:46 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-21 7:42 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 7:50 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 9:50 ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-21 10:31 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 10:39 ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-21 11:29 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 11:53 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2004-11-21 12:01 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-21 18:13 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-22 16:12 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 17:00 ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 17:14 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:49 ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 19:12 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19 7:01 ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-11-20 12:00 ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-18 17:12 ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 17:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 17:29 ` Alan Cox
2004-11-18 18:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:28 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19 9:46 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 20:57 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-24 6:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-11-24 12:15 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-24 13:05 ` Miklos Szeredi
[not found] ` <200411242001.59504.oliver@neukum.org>
2004-11-24 19:20 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25 6:26 ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-25 7:29 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25 7:47 ` Jan Hudec
2004-11-25 9:15 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-25 9:54 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-30 18:44 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 19:16 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 19:55 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 21:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 21:37 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 21:58 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 22:57 ` Avi Kivity
2004-11-30 23:19 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-12-15 17:55 ` Avi Kivity
2004-12-15 21:49 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-12-03 22:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-12-15 17:45 ` Avi Kivity
2004-12-01 7:16 ` Jan Hudec
2004-12-01 13:35 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-30 21:54 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-18 18:21 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 18:31 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2004-11-18 18:56 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 19:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 19:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 20:05 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 20:13 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-18 21:06 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-18 21:33 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-19 11:27 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-27 17:07 ` Rik van Riel
2004-11-27 17:13 ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-03 22:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2004-11-18 20:16 ` Elladan
2004-11-18 18:28 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-11-18 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 19:12 ` Bryan Henderson
2004-11-18 19:51 ` Miklos Szeredi
2004-11-18 22:00 ` Jan Hudec
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