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From: lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca (Lennart Sorensen)
To: Tomasz K?oczko <kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Is it time for remove (crap) ALSA from kernel tree ?
Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 13:13:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070625171325.GA31195@csclub.uwaterloo.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSO.4.63.0706251742320.25800@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl>

On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:48:21PM +0200, Tomasz K?oczko wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> [..]
> >In my experience OSS is a pile of crap compared to ALSA.
> 
> Could you say something more detailed about this compare ?

Well the last time I bothered to look at OSS, it was still stuck at
supproting stereo only.  It believed that if a card supported SB
emulation, then adding support for that was good enough.  it also
thought supporting the GUS PnP through emulation of the original GUS
counted as support.  Essentially it was all about having a long list of
supported chips, where support simply meant it could make some sounds,
and if you were lucky it might even do stereo.  At the time ALSA was
already far beyond that in supporting all the inputs and outputs of many
cards, supporting their true native capabilities, rather than some
mediocre emulation mode.  The fact ALSA was open source sure didn't hurt
either.

OSS being willing to sign NDAs also didn't help the rest of the linux
community in any way when it came to trying to get hardware makers to
release specs so drivers could actually be written for inclusion in the
kernel.

--
Len Sorensen

  reply	other threads:[~2007-06-25 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-24 17:51 Is it time for remove (crap) ALSA from kernel tree ? Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-24 19:08 ` Alan Cox
2007-06-24 19:24   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-24 19:27     ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-24 21:43       ` Rene Herman
2007-06-25 10:06       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-25 10:46         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-25 20:32         ` Hannu Savolainen
2007-06-24 20:57     ` Alan Cox
2007-06-24 22:43       ` Olivier Galibert
2007-06-24 22:44       ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-24 22:48         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-06-24 23:13           ` Carlo Wood
2007-06-25  3:41         ` Nobin Mathew
2007-06-25  9:06           ` Alan Cox
2007-06-25 10:41             ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-25 20:09               ` Handling xruns in OSS (was Hannu Savolainen
2007-06-26  9:18                 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-25  9:51       ` Is it time for remove (crap) ALSA from kernel tree ? Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-25 10:58         ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-25 11:36           ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-25 12:31             ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-25 12:40               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-06-25 12:47                 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-06-25 12:50                   ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-25 12:44               ` Olivier Galibert
2007-06-25 12:58                 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-25 13:20                   ` Olivier Galibert
2007-06-25 13:21                 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-28 18:30                   ` Nix
2007-06-28 20:02                     ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 20:20                       ` Lee Revell
2007-06-28 20:43                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-28 20:22                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-28 21:06                     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-28 21:37                       ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 22:24                       ` Nix
2007-06-29 11:52                       ` Florian Schmidt
2007-06-29 14:56                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-29 15:49                           ` Alan Cox
2007-06-29 15:55                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-29 16:14                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-01 11:46                                 ` Florian Schmidt
2007-07-01 12:17                                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-06-29 18:39                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-06-25 17:00               ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-25 22:49                 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-25 13:01             ` Gabor Gombas
2007-06-25 13:41               ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-25 14:05                 ` Gabor Gombas
2007-06-25 13:21             ` Renato S. Yamane
2007-06-25 14:02               ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-25 13:46             ` Rene Herman
2007-06-25  6:24     ` Carlo Florendo
2007-06-25  6:22 ` Carlo Florendo
2007-06-25 10:53 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-25 11:50   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-25 13:04     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-06-25 21:18   ` Hannu Savolainen
2007-06-25 23:17     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-06-26 16:25       ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-26 16:52         ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-27 11:11           ` Wakko Warner
2007-06-26  9:35     ` Takashi Iwai
2007-06-26 11:48     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-06-29 18:31       ` OSS vs ALSA API (was Re: Is it time for remove (crap) ALSA from kernel tree ?) Pavel Machek
2007-06-25 14:44 ` Is it time for remove (crap) ALSA from kernel tree ? Lennart Sorensen
2007-06-25 15:48   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-25 17:13     ` Lennart Sorensen [this message]
2007-07-04  6:35 ` Darren
2007-07-04 17:32   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-05 12:59     ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-24 18:35 Ash Willis
2007-06-24 19:01 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
     [not found] <fa.4npeXBdRGMm2JoKWe0qhjQdrJkk@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.bAhr1dmoWCFU+8Kxo95nsy5DRRU@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.MQ77mllForge5OWcDydLlI0yp8s@ifi.uio.no>
2007-06-24 19:37     ` Robert Hancock
2007-06-26 20:39 Andreas Hartmetz
2007-06-26 21:10 ` Måns Rullgård
2007-06-27  3:59 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28  3:41 ` Lee Revell
2007-06-28 11:52   ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-28 13:02     ` Meelis Roos
2007-06-27 16:25 Andreas Hartmetz
2007-06-27 17:29 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-27 19:10   ` Andreas Hartmetz
2007-06-27 23:12     ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28  0:18       ` Patrick Draper
2007-06-28  1:58         ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28  2:28           ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 11:15             ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28  3:04           ` Patrick Draper
2007-06-28  3:22             ` Lee Revell
2007-06-28  5:13             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-06-28 11:50             ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-28 11:58               ` Gabriel C
2007-06-28 12:57               ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 12:39             ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 12:42 Anton Petrusevich
2007-06-28 15:02 ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 16:34   ` Anton Petrusevich
2007-06-28 16:38     ` Xavier Bestel
2007-06-28 18:56     ` Rene Herman
2007-06-28 19:33       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2007-06-28 19:34         ` Rene Herman
2007-06-29 10:30     ` Florian Schmidt
2007-06-29 11:40       ` Anton Petrusevich
2007-06-29 12:38         ` Florian Schmidt
2007-06-29 12:29 ` Gabriel C
     [not found] <fa.C+RaPJT9DzfOowG03yiRkB6ItF8@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.eZW1VxypFFwQqmC93xQaStxDK0Q@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <fa.n+OzEywqHGabZtz5NxmlX4rEY0A@ifi.uio.no>
2007-06-29  1:16     ` Robert Hancock
2007-06-29 22:04       ` Rene Herman
2007-07-07  2:41 William Pitcock
2007-07-07 13:23 ` Carlo Wood

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