From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Christian Kujau <lists@nerdbynature.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:04:11 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071113130411.26ccae12.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.0.9999.0711132055550.7865@sheep.housecafe.de>
On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 21:00:30 +0100 (CET) Christian Kujau <lists@nerdbynature.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > I think that we're fairly good about working the regressions in
> > Adrian/Michal/Rafael's lists but once Linus releases 2.6.x we tend to let
> > the unsolved ones slide, and we don't pay as much attention to the
> > regressions which 2.6.x testers report.
>
> Can't we wait until all regressions[0] are fixed before releasing a new
> 2.6.x? I'd consider regressions a *literal* show stopper, and with this
> policy they just have be fixed, nothing would "slide"...
>
Problem is that everyone would then sit around pumping shiny new features
into their trees waiting until someone else fixes the regressions.
There are a number of process things we _could_ do. Like
- have bugfix-only kernel releases
- Just refuse to merge any non-bugfix patches for a subsystem when it is
determined that the subsystem has "too many" regressions.
- Create an "if you added a regression, you should fix some other bug
too" rule.
- probably other stuff.
But we can't/shouldn't do any of that until it is generally agreed that we
have a problem and that the problem is of sufficient magnitude that process
changes are needed to address it. We aren't at that stage yet.
Here's an important point: developers have a fixed amount of development
time. They spend some of that time fixing bugs and the rest of that time
on <otherstuff>. And while one could cook up all sorts of wonderful
process changes, they all would be aimed at a single thing: shifting some
of the developers' time away from <otherstuff> and onto bugfixing.
At this stage the only tool which is being deployed to attempt to bring
about that reprioritisation is suasion. aka "lkml flamewar".
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-11-13 21:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 268+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-11-13 6:42 [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Natalie Protasevich
2007-11-13 11:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 11:24 ` Jens Axboe
2007-11-13 11:33 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-11-13 11:39 ` David Miller
2007-11-13 11:49 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 11:58 ` David Miller
2007-11-13 12:12 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 12:32 ` David Miller
2007-11-13 19:02 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 20:00 ` Christian Kujau
2007-11-13 21:04 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-11-13 16:56 ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 19:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-14 22:22 ` Heikki Orsila
2007-11-14 23:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-13 21:37 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 21:56 ` Christian Kujau
2007-11-15 4:07 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15 4:24 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 5:25 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15 5:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 5:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 11:50 ` mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15 16:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 19:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 20:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 20:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 21:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 21:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 22:11 ` Chris Friesen
2007-11-15 22:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 22:24 ` Rob Mueller
2007-11-18 23:13 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-11-19 3:41 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-16 0:48 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-21 21:25 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-19 3:54 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-22 3:42 ` [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option Bron Gondwana
2007-11-26 17:53 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-27 1:30 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27 4:54 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-27 5:24 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27 5:53 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-27 12:10 ` dirty highmem calculation sysctl name (Was: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27 13:06 ` [PATCH] mm/page-writeback - highmem_is_dirtyable option (replaces dirty_highmem patch) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-21 23:51 ` mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-22 2:16 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-13 19:32 ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Russell King
2007-11-13 20:13 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 23:29 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 23:38 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 20:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:18 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 22:32 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 23:09 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 23:17 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14 1:55 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 2:27 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14 3:47 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 8:30 ` Russell King
2007-11-14 9:55 ` Russell King
2007-11-14 10:07 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 11:46 ` [alsa-devel] " Rene Herman
2007-11-14 11:56 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 12:01 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 8:25 ` Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 12:21 ` Rene Herman
2007-11-14 9:47 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 23:23 ` Moderated list David Miller
2007-11-15 6:09 ` Rene Herman
2007-11-14 12:12 ` [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Rene Herman
2007-11-14 12:09 ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 4:16 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15 5:59 ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 12:02 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15 12:26 ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 13:00 ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-15 14:29 ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 13:17 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-11-15 9:34 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 19:44 ` Russell King
2007-11-16 22:16 ` Use *poof* for linux-omap (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Tony Lindgren
2007-11-17 0:45 ` Use *poof* for linux-omap David Miller
2007-11-18 20:01 ` Tony Lindgren
2007-11-14 5:56 ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-14 5:59 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-14 6:13 ` David Miller
2007-11-13 13:40 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 14:08 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 15:24 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-11-13 15:57 ` Ray Lee
2007-11-13 17:01 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 17:50 ` Romano Giannetti
2007-11-13 22:03 ` Frans Pop
2007-11-13 15:52 ` Benoit Boissinot
2007-11-13 16:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 17:13 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 17:30 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 17:33 ` Larry Finger
2007-11-13 18:55 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 20:07 ` Larry Finger
2007-11-13 17:56 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:57 ` Gabriel C
2007-11-14 0:41 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14 0:39 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14 7:27 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-14 7:46 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14 13:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-14 13:35 ` Hannes Reinecke
2007-11-14 21:39 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14 21:58 ` Gabriel C
2007-11-14 18:27 ` Kok, Auke
2007-11-14 16:55 ` Jan Evert van Grootheest
2007-11-14 23:23 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-15 15:30 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-15 16:19 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-16 8:20 ` Romano Giannetti
2007-11-16 18:20 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-16 19:46 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-17 12:20 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-18 18:01 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 16:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 17:50 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:12 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:18 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:47 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 19:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:12 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 19:30 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:46 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 20:04 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:26 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 20:00 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 20:13 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 21:20 ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 21:12 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-14 0:52 ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-11-14 1:11 ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-14 2:10 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14 1:10 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 1:18 ` Peter Stuge
2007-11-13 18:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-13 18:39 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-13 18:43 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-13 18:54 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 22:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-14 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 14:49 ` Larry Finger
2007-11-18 12:44 ` size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Pavel Machek
2007-11-18 12:58 ` Rene Herman
2007-11-18 14:35 ` James Bottomley
2007-11-18 15:19 ` Rene Herman
2007-11-18 14:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-19 4:43 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-11-13 19:37 ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Russell King
2007-11-13 20:18 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 21:33 ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-13 21:56 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:24 ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-13 22:43 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:29 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 23:40 ` Russell King
2007-11-14 1:56 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 0:34 ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-15 3:06 ` Neil Brown
2007-11-13 16:55 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 14:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 17:38 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 18:23 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-15 2:50 ` Neil Brown
2007-11-16 0:05 ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-14 20:16 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 20:29 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 20:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 21:05 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 19:56 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 20:09 ` James Bottomley
2007-11-14 20:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 20:48 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 21:05 ` david
2007-11-13 11:47 ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-11-13 13:58 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 14:18 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 16:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 16:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 17:47 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:32 ` [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:49 ` Ray Lee
2007-11-15 16:51 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:53 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 18:14 ` Pavel Machek
2007-11-15 17:31 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 19:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-15 19:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-15 22:23 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-16 5:55 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 7:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 8:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 11:23 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 11:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-11-16 12:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 12:58 ` [patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 13:31 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-16 14:21 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-16 19:06 ` [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM Mark Lord
2007-11-16 18:35 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-30 20:12 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-30 12:56 ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-30 13:35 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 13:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 18:35 ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-30 18:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 15:16 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-01 18:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 20:47 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-01 20:54 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 23:41 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 8:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 11:31 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 12:31 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 13:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 14:46 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 15:44 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 13:57 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 14:11 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 15:47 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 19:55 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 20:07 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 20:30 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 20:45 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 21:08 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 21:10 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 21:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03 0:57 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-04 0:06 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-04 9:34 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 15:49 ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-15 20:27 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-18 16:10 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-18 16:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-18 17:37 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 17:54 ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Mark Lord
2007-11-13 22:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 23:37 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:10 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 18:25 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 22:34 ` Russell King
2007-11-15 20:16 ` Ben Dooks
2007-11-13 15:21 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-11-13 15:33 ` James Bottomley
2007-11-13 16:43 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-13 17:46 ` Martin Bligh
2007-11-13 18:47 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14 5:07 ` David Miller
2007-11-13 15:36 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 17:49 ` Jan Kara
2007-11-13 18:04 ` Russell King
2007-11-14 12:46 ` Jiri Kosina
2007-11-14 13:24 ` Pavel Machek
2007-11-14 14:14 ` Fabio Comolli
2007-11-14 19:52 ` Russell King
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