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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <Dietmar.Eggemann@arm.com>,
	"yuyang.du@intel.com" <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	"preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"mturquette@linaro.org" <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	"nico@linaro.org" <nico@linaro.org>,
	"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFCv3 PATCH 33/48] sched: Energy-aware wake-up task placement
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:24:42 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150324152442.GF18994@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150324130000.GM23123@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 01:00:00PM +0000, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 02:47:23PM +0000, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > > Also, this heuristic for determining sg_target is a big little
> > > assumption. I don't think it is necessarily correct to assume that this
> > > is true for all platforms. This heuristic should be derived from the
> > > energy model for the platform instead.
> > 
> > I have had the same thought, but I ended up making that assumption since
> > I holds for the for the few platforms I have data for and it simplified
> > the code a lot. I think we can potentially remove this assumption later.
> 
> So the thing is; if we know all the possible behavioural modes of our
> system we could pre compute which are applicable to the system at hand.
> 
> All we need is a semi formal definition of our model and a friendly
> mathematician who can do the bifurcation analysis to find the modal
> boundaries and their parameters.
> 
> I suspect there is a limited number of modes and parameters and if we
> implement all we just need to select the right ones, this could save a
> lot of runtime computation.
> 
> But yes, we don't need to start with that, we can do the brute force
> thing for a while.

Yes, I think we need to get the basics (which are already quite
complicated) right before we start optimizing. Though, depending on how
crazy the energy model looks like, it should be possible to assign some
energy 'priority' to each group when the sched_domain hierarchy is built
based on the energy model data rather than basing the choice on max
capacity. At least until we find a friendly mathematician willing to
help us out :) 

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-24 15:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-04 18:30 [RFCv3 PATCH 00/48] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 01/48] sched: add utilization_avg_contrib Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-11  8:50   ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-02-12  1:07     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 02/48] sched: Track group sched_entity usage contributions Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 03/48] sched: remove frequency scaling from cpu_capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 04/48] sched: Make sched entity usage tracking frequency-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 05/48] sched: make scale_rt invariant with frequency Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 06/48] sched: add per rq cpu_capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 07/48] sched: get CPU's usage statistic Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 08/48] sched: replace capacity_factor by usage Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 09/48] sched: add SD_PREFER_SIBLING for SMT level Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 10/48] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 11/48] sched: Make load tracking frequency scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 12/48] sched: Make usage tracking cpu scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 14:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-23 19:19     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF8A3E3617.0D4400A5-ON48257E3A.001B38D9-48257E3A.002379A4@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-06  9:49         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 13/48] cpufreq: Architecture specific callback for frequency changes Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 14/48] arm: Frequency invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 13:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24  9:41     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 15/48] arm: vexpress: Add CPU clock-frequencies to TC2 device-tree Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 16/48] arm: Cpu invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 17/48] sched: Get rid of scaling usage by cpu_capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OFFC493540.15A92099-ON48257E35.0026F60C-48257E35.0027A5FB@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-28 16:54     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 18/48] sched: Track blocked utilization contributions Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 14:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24  9:43     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:44         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 19/48] sched: Include blocked utilization in usage tracking Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 20/48] sched: Documentation for scheduler energy cost model Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 21/48] sched: Make energy awareness a sched feature Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 22/48] sched: Introduce energy data structures Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 23/48] sched: Allocate and initialize " Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF29F384AC.37929D8E-ON48257E35.002FCB0C-48257E35.003156FE@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-29 15:43     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 24/48] sched: Introduce SD_SHARE_CAP_STATES sched_domain flag Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 25/48] arm: topology: Define TC2 energy and provide it to the scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 26/48] sched: Compute cpu capacity available at current frequency Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 27/48] sched: Relocated get_cpu_usage() Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 28/48] sched: Use capacity_curr to cap utilization in get_cpu_usage() Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 11:36     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 12:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 29/48] sched: Highest energy aware balancing sched_domain level pointer Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 10:52     ` Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF5977496A.A21A7B96-ON48257E35.002EC23C-48257E35.00324DAD@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-29 15:54     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 30/48] sched: Calculate energy consumption of sched_group Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-13 22:54   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-16 14:15     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-23 20:21         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-24 10:44           ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:39               ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-26 15:23                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-20 18:40   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 15:58     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 31/48] sched: Extend sched_group_energy to test load-balancing decisions Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF081FBA75.F80B8844-ON48257E37.00261E89-48257E37.00267F24@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:26     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 32/48] sched: Estimate energy impact of scheduling decisions Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 33/48] sched: Energy-aware wake-up task placement Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-13 22:47   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-16 14:47     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-18 20:15       ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 16:37         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 15:24         ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2015-03-24 13:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 15:42     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:47         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:01     ` Juri Lelli
2015-03-25 18:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-26 10:21         ` Juri Lelli
2015-03-26 10:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-27 16:01             ` Michael Turquette
2015-04-28 13:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 34/48] sched: Bias new task wakeups towards higher capacity cpus Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:18     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 35/48] sched, cpuidle: Track cpuidle state index in the scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 36/48] sched: Count number of shallower idle-states in struct sched_group_energy Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:13     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 37/48] sched: Determine the current sched_group idle-state Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF1FDC99CD.22435E74-ON48257E37.001BA739-48257E37.001CA5ED@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF2F4202E4.8A4AF229-ON48257E38.00312CD4-48257E38.0036ADB6@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-01 15:09         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 38/48] sched: Infrastructure to query if load balancing is energy-aware Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 16:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-24 13:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 16:22     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 39/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into update_sg_lb_stats Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 40/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into update_sd_lb_stats Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 41/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into find_busiest_group Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 42/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into find_busiest_queue Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 18:04     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 43/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into detach_tasks Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 23:50   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 15:03     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OFDCE15EEF.2F536D7F-ON48257E37.002565ED-48257E37.0027A8B9@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:35         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 44/48] sched: Tipping point from energy-aware to conventional load balancing Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 18:47     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 45/48] sched: Skip cpu as lb src which has one task and capacity gte the dst cpu Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:44     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF9320540C.255228F9-ON48257E37.002A02D1-48257E37.002AB5EE@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-05 10:01         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 46/48] sched: Turn off fast idling of cpus on a partially loaded system Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 47/48] sched: Enable active migration for cpus of lower capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 48/48] sched: Disable energy-unfriendly nohz kicks Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-20 19:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-04-02 12:43 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 00/48] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Vincent Guittot
2015-04-08 13:33   ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-04-09  7:41     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-04-10 14:46       ` Morten Rasmussen

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