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From: Sai Gurrappadi <sgurrappadi@nvidia.com>
To: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Cc: "peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <Dietmar.Eggemann@arm.com>,
	"yuyang.du@intel.com" <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	"preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"mturquette@linaro.org" <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	"nico@linaro.org" <nico@linaro.org>,
	"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Boonstoppel <pboonstoppel@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [RFCv3 PATCH 33/48] sched: Energy-aware wake-up task placement
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 13:15:59 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5509DCFF.7080407@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150316144722.GA13019@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On 03/16/2015 07:47 AM, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:47:16PM +0000, Sai Gurrappadi wrote:
>> On 02/04/2015 10:31 AM, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
>>> +static int energy_aware_wake_cpu(struct task_struct *p)
>>> +{
>>> +	struct sched_domain *sd;
>>> +	struct sched_group *sg, *sg_target;
>>> +	int target_max_cap = SCHED_CAPACITY_SCALE;
>>> +	int target_cpu = task_cpu(p);
>>> +	int i;
>>> +
>>> +	sd = rcu_dereference(per_cpu(sd_ea, task_cpu(p)));
>>> +
>>> +	if (!sd)
>>> +		return -1;
>>> +
>>> +	sg = sd->groups;
>>> +	sg_target = sg;
>>> +	/* Find group with sufficient capacity */
>>> +	do {
>>> +		int sg_max_capacity = group_max_capacity(sg);
>>> +
>>> +		if (sg_max_capacity >= task_utilization(p) &&
>>> +				sg_max_capacity <= target_max_cap) {
>>> +			sg_target = sg;
>>> +			target_max_cap = sg_max_capacity;
>>> +		}
>>> +	} while (sg = sg->next, sg != sd->groups);
>>
>> If a 'small' task suddenly becomes 'big' i.e close to 100% util, the
>> above loop would still pick the little/small cluster because
>> task_utilization(p) is upper-bounded by the arch-invariant capacity of
>> the little CPU/group right?
> 
> Yes. Usually the 'big thread stuck on little cpu' problem gets
> eventually resolved by load_balance() called from periodic load-balance,
> idle-balance, or nohz idle-balance. But you are right, there should be
> some margin added to that comparison (capacity > task_utilization(p) +
> margin).
> 
> We want to have a sort of bias tunable that will affect decisions like
> this one such that if you are willing to sacrifice some energy you can
> put tasks on big cpus even if they could be left on a little cpu. I
> think this margin above could be linked to that tunable if not the
> tunable itself.
> 
> Another problem with the sched_group selection above is that we don't
> consider the current utilization when choosing the group. Small tasks
> end up in the 'little' group even if it is already fully utilized and
> the 'big' group might have spare capacity. We could have additional
> checks here, but it would add to latency and it would eventually get
> sorted out by periodic/idle balance anyway. The task would have to live
> with the suboptimal placement for a while though which isn't ideal.
> 
>>
>> Also, this heuristic for determining sg_target is a big little
>> assumption. I don't think it is necessarily correct to assume that this
>> is true for all platforms. This heuristic should be derived from the
>> energy model for the platform instead.
> 
> I have had the same thought, but I ended up making that assumption since
> I holds for the for the few platforms I have data for and it simplified
> the code a lot. I think we can potentially remove this assumption later.
> 
>>
>>> +
>>> +	/* Find cpu with sufficient capacity */
>>> +	for_each_cpu_and(i, tsk_cpus_allowed(p), sched_group_cpus(sg_target)) {
>>> +		int new_usage = get_cpu_usage(i) + task_utilization(p);
>>
>> Isn't this double accounting the task's usage in case task_cpu(p)
>> belongs to sg_target?
> 
> Again you are right. We could make the + task_utilization(p) conditional
> on i != task_cpu(p). One argument against doing that is that in
> select_task_rq_fair() task_utilization(p) hasn't been decayed yet while
> it blocked load on the previous cpu (rq) has. If the task has been gone
> for a long time, its blocked contribution may have decayed to zero and
> therefore be a poor estimate of the utilization increase caused by
> putting the task back on the previous cpu. Particularly if we still use
> the non-decayed task_utilization(p) to estimate the utilization increase
> on other cpus (!task_cpu(p)). In the interest of responsiveness and not
> trying to squeeze tasks back onto the previous cpu which might soon run
> out of capacity when utilization increases we could leave it as a sort
> of performance bias.
> 
> In any case it deserves a comment in the code I think.

I think it makes sense to use the non-decayed value of the the task's
contrib. on wake but I am not sure if we should do this 2x accounting
all the time.

Another slightly related issue is that NOHZ could cause blocked rq sums
to remain stale for long periods if there aren't frequent enough
idle/nohz-idle-balances. This would cause the above bit and
energy_diff() to compute incorrect values.

-Sai

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-18 20:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-04 18:30 [RFCv3 PATCH 00/48] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 01/48] sched: add utilization_avg_contrib Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-11  8:50   ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-02-12  1:07     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 02/48] sched: Track group sched_entity usage contributions Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 03/48] sched: remove frequency scaling from cpu_capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 04/48] sched: Make sched entity usage tracking frequency-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 05/48] sched: make scale_rt invariant with frequency Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 06/48] sched: add per rq cpu_capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 07/48] sched: get CPU's usage statistic Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 08/48] sched: replace capacity_factor by usage Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 09/48] sched: add SD_PREFER_SIBLING for SMT level Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 10/48] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 11/48] sched: Make load tracking frequency scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 12/48] sched: Make usage tracking cpu scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 14:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-23 19:19     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF8A3E3617.0D4400A5-ON48257E3A.001B38D9-48257E3A.002379A4@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-06  9:49         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 13/48] cpufreq: Architecture specific callback for frequency changes Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 14/48] arm: Frequency invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 13:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24  9:41     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 15/48] arm: vexpress: Add CPU clock-frequencies to TC2 device-tree Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 16/48] arm: Cpu invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 17/48] sched: Get rid of scaling usage by cpu_capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OFFC493540.15A92099-ON48257E35.0026F60C-48257E35.0027A5FB@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-28 16:54     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 18/48] sched: Track blocked utilization contributions Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 14:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24  9:43     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:44         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 19/48] sched: Include blocked utilization in usage tracking Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 20/48] sched: Documentation for scheduler energy cost model Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 21/48] sched: Make energy awareness a sched feature Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 22/48] sched: Introduce energy data structures Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 23/48] sched: Allocate and initialize " Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF29F384AC.37929D8E-ON48257E35.002FCB0C-48257E35.003156FE@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-29 15:43     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 24/48] sched: Introduce SD_SHARE_CAP_STATES sched_domain flag Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 25/48] arm: topology: Define TC2 energy and provide it to the scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 26/48] sched: Compute cpu capacity available at current frequency Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 27/48] sched: Relocated get_cpu_usage() Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 28/48] sched: Use capacity_curr to cap utilization in get_cpu_usage() Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 11:36     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 12:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 29/48] sched: Highest energy aware balancing sched_domain level pointer Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 10:52     ` Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF5977496A.A21A7B96-ON48257E35.002EC23C-48257E35.00324DAD@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-29 15:54     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 30/48] sched: Calculate energy consumption of sched_group Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-13 22:54   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-16 14:15     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-23 20:21         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-24 10:44           ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:39               ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-26 15:23                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-20 18:40   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 15:58     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 31/48] sched: Extend sched_group_energy to test load-balancing decisions Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF081FBA75.F80B8844-ON48257E37.00261E89-48257E37.00267F24@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:26     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 32/48] sched: Estimate energy impact of scheduling decisions Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 33/48] sched: Energy-aware wake-up task placement Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-13 22:47   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-16 14:47     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-18 20:15       ` Sai Gurrappadi [this message]
2015-03-27 16:37         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 15:24         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 15:42     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:47         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:01     ` Juri Lelli
2015-03-25 18:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-26 10:21         ` Juri Lelli
2015-03-26 10:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-27 16:01             ` Michael Turquette
2015-04-28 13:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 34/48] sched: Bias new task wakeups towards higher capacity cpus Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:18     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 35/48] sched, cpuidle: Track cpuidle state index in the scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 36/48] sched: Count number of shallower idle-states in struct sched_group_energy Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:13     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 37/48] sched: Determine the current sched_group idle-state Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF1FDC99CD.22435E74-ON48257E37.001BA739-48257E37.001CA5ED@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF2F4202E4.8A4AF229-ON48257E38.00312CD4-48257E38.0036ADB6@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-01 15:09         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 38/48] sched: Infrastructure to query if load balancing is energy-aware Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 16:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-24 13:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 16:22     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 39/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into update_sg_lb_stats Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 40/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into update_sd_lb_stats Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 41/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into find_busiest_group Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 42/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into find_busiest_queue Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 18:04     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 43/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into detach_tasks Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 23:50   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 15:03     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OFDCE15EEF.2F536D7F-ON48257E37.002565ED-48257E37.0027A8B9@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:35         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 44/48] sched: Tipping point from energy-aware to conventional load balancing Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 18:47     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 45/48] sched: Skip cpu as lb src which has one task and capacity gte the dst cpu Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:44     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF9320540C.255228F9-ON48257E37.002A02D1-48257E37.002AB5EE@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-05 10:01         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 46/48] sched: Turn off fast idling of cpus on a partially loaded system Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 47/48] sched: Enable active migration for cpus of lower capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 48/48] sched: Disable energy-unfriendly nohz kicks Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-20 19:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-04-02 12:43 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 00/48] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Vincent Guittot
2015-04-08 13:33   ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-04-09  7:41     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-04-10 14:46       ` Morten Rasmussen

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