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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <Dietmar.Eggemann@arm.com>,
	"yuyang.du@intel.com" <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	"preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"mturquette@linaro.org" <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	"nico@linaro.org" <nico@linaro.org>,
	"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFCv3 PATCH 34/48] sched: Bias new task wakeups towards higher capacity cpus
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:18:25 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150325181825.GL18994@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150324133322.GP23123@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 01:33:22PM +0000, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 06:31:11PM +0000, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > Make wake-ups of new tasks (find_idlest_group) aware of any differences
> > in cpu compute capacity so new tasks don't get handed off to a cpus with
> > lower capacity.
> 
> That says what; but fails to explain why we want to do this.
> 
> Remember Changelogs should answer what+why and if complicated also
> reason about how.

Right, I will make sure to fix that.

cpu compute capacity may be different for two reasons: 1. Compute
capacity of some cpus may be reduced due to RT and/or IRQ work
(capacity_of(cpu)), and 2.  Compute capacity of some cpus is lower due
to different cpu microarchitectures (big.LITTLE, impacts both
capacity_of(cpu) and capacity_orig_of(cpu)).

find_idlest_group() is used for SD_BALANCE_{FORK,EXEC} but not
SD_BALANCE_WAKE. That means only for new tasks. Since we can't predict
how they are going to behave we assume that they are cpu intensive. This
is how the load tracking is initialized. If we stick we that assumption
new tasks should go on cpus with most capacity to ensure we don't slow
them down while they are building up their track load history. Putting
new tasks on high capacity cpus also improves system responsiveness as
it may take a while before tasks put on a cpu with too little capacity
gets migrated to one with higher capacity.

One could also imagine that one day thermal management constraints in
terms of frequency capping would be visible through capacity in the
scheduler, which be a third reason for having different compute
capacities.

> 
> > @@ -4971,6 +4972,7 @@ find_idlest_group(struct sched_domain *sd, struct task_struct *p,
> >  
> >  		/* Tally up the load of all CPUs in the group */
> >  		avg_load = 0;
> > +		cpu_capacity = 0;
> >  
> >  		for_each_cpu(i, sched_group_cpus(group)) {
> >  			/* Bias balancing toward cpus of our domain */
> > @@ -4980,6 +4982,9 @@ find_idlest_group(struct sched_domain *sd, struct task_struct *p,
> >  				load = target_load(i, load_idx);
> >  
> >  			avg_load += load;
> > +
> > +			if (cpu_capacity < capacity_of(i))
> > +				cpu_capacity = capacity_of(i);
> >  		}
> >  
> >  		/* Adjust by relative CPU capacity of the group */
> 
> So basically you're constructing the max_cpu_capacity for that group
> here. Might it be clearer to explicitly name/write it as such?
> 
> 		max_cpu_capacity = max(max_cpu_capacity, capacity_of(i));

Agreed.

> 
> > @@ -4987,14 +4992,20 @@ find_idlest_group(struct sched_domain *sd, struct task_struct *p,
> >  
> >  		if (local_group) {
> >  			this_load = avg_load;
> > +			this_cpu_cap = cpu_capacity;
> >  		} else if (avg_load < min_load) {
> >  			min_load = avg_load;
> >  			idlest = group;
> > +			idlest_cpu_cap = cpu_capacity;
> >  		}
> >  	} while (group = group->next, group != sd->groups);
> >  
> > -	if (!idlest || 100*this_load < imbalance*min_load)
> > +	if (!idlest)
> > +		return NULL;
> > +
> > +	if (100*this_load < imbalance*min_load && this_cpu_cap >= idlest_cpu_cap)
> >  		return NULL;
> 
> And here you then fail to provide an idlest group if the selected group
> has less (max) capacity than the current group.
> 
> /me goes double check wth capacity_of() returns again, yes, this seems
> dubious. Suppose we have our two symmetric clusters and for some reason
> we've routed all our interrupts to one cluster and every cpu regularly
> receives interrupts. This means that the capacity_of() of this IRQ
> cluster is always less than the other.
> 
> The above modification will result in tasks always being placed on the
> other cluster, even though it might be very busy indeed.
> 
> If you want to do something like this; one should really add in a
> current usage metric or so.

Right, that if-condition is broken :(

We want to put new tasks on the cpu which has most spare capacity and if
nobody has spare capacity then decide based on the existing
(100*this_load < imbalance*min_load) condition. Maybe gather max cpu
available capacity instead of max_cpu_capacity. I will have to ponder
that a bit and come up with something.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-25 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-04 18:30 [RFCv3 PATCH 00/48] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 01/48] sched: add utilization_avg_contrib Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-11  8:50   ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-02-12  1:07     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 02/48] sched: Track group sched_entity usage contributions Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 03/48] sched: remove frequency scaling from cpu_capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 04/48] sched: Make sched entity usage tracking frequency-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 05/48] sched: make scale_rt invariant with frequency Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 06/48] sched: add per rq cpu_capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 07/48] sched: get CPU's usage statistic Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 08/48] sched: replace capacity_factor by usage Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 09/48] sched: add SD_PREFER_SIBLING for SMT level Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 10/48] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 11/48] sched: Make load tracking frequency scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 12/48] sched: Make usage tracking cpu scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 14:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-23 19:19     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF8A3E3617.0D4400A5-ON48257E3A.001B38D9-48257E3A.002379A4@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-06  9:49         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 13/48] cpufreq: Architecture specific callback for frequency changes Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 14/48] arm: Frequency invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 13:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24  9:41     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 15/48] arm: vexpress: Add CPU clock-frequencies to TC2 device-tree Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 16/48] arm: Cpu invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 17/48] sched: Get rid of scaling usage by cpu_capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OFFC493540.15A92099-ON48257E35.0026F60C-48257E35.0027A5FB@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-28 16:54     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 18/48] sched: Track blocked utilization contributions Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 14:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24  9:43     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:44         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 19/48] sched: Include blocked utilization in usage tracking Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 20/48] sched: Documentation for scheduler energy cost model Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 21/48] sched: Make energy awareness a sched feature Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 22/48] sched: Introduce energy data structures Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 23/48] sched: Allocate and initialize " Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF29F384AC.37929D8E-ON48257E35.002FCB0C-48257E35.003156FE@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-29 15:43     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 24/48] sched: Introduce SD_SHARE_CAP_STATES sched_domain flag Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 25/48] arm: topology: Define TC2 energy and provide it to the scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 26/48] sched: Compute cpu capacity available at current frequency Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 27/48] sched: Relocated get_cpu_usage() Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 28/48] sched: Use capacity_curr to cap utilization in get_cpu_usage() Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 11:36     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 12:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 29/48] sched: Highest energy aware balancing sched_domain level pointer Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 10:52     ` Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF5977496A.A21A7B96-ON48257E35.002EC23C-48257E35.00324DAD@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-29 15:54     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 30/48] sched: Calculate energy consumption of sched_group Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-13 22:54   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-16 14:15     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-23 20:21         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-24 10:44           ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:39               ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-26 15:23                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-20 18:40   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 15:58     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 31/48] sched: Extend sched_group_energy to test load-balancing decisions Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF081FBA75.F80B8844-ON48257E37.00261E89-48257E37.00267F24@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:26     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 32/48] sched: Estimate energy impact of scheduling decisions Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 33/48] sched: Energy-aware wake-up task placement Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-13 22:47   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-16 14:47     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-18 20:15       ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 16:37         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 15:24         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 15:42     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:47         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:01     ` Juri Lelli
2015-03-25 18:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-26 10:21         ` Juri Lelli
2015-03-26 10:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-27 16:01             ` Michael Turquette
2015-04-28 13:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 34/48] sched: Bias new task wakeups towards higher capacity cpus Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:18     ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 35/48] sched, cpuidle: Track cpuidle state index in the scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 36/48] sched: Count number of shallower idle-states in struct sched_group_energy Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:13     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 37/48] sched: Determine the current sched_group idle-state Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF1FDC99CD.22435E74-ON48257E37.001BA739-48257E37.001CA5ED@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF2F4202E4.8A4AF229-ON48257E38.00312CD4-48257E38.0036ADB6@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-01 15:09         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 38/48] sched: Infrastructure to query if load balancing is energy-aware Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 16:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-24 13:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 16:22     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 39/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into update_sg_lb_stats Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 40/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into update_sd_lb_stats Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 41/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into find_busiest_group Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 42/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into find_busiest_queue Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 18:04     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 43/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into detach_tasks Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 23:50   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 15:03     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OFDCE15EEF.2F536D7F-ON48257E37.002565ED-48257E37.0027A8B9@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:35         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 44/48] sched: Tipping point from energy-aware to conventional load balancing Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 18:47     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 45/48] sched: Skip cpu as lb src which has one task and capacity gte the dst cpu Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:44     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF9320540C.255228F9-ON48257E37.002A02D1-48257E37.002AB5EE@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-05 10:01         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 46/48] sched: Turn off fast idling of cpus on a partially loaded system Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 47/48] sched: Enable active migration for cpus of lower capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 48/48] sched: Disable energy-unfriendly nohz kicks Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-20 19:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-04-02 12:43 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 00/48] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Vincent Guittot
2015-04-08 13:33   ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-04-09  7:41     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-04-10 14:46       ` Morten Rasmussen

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