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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"vincent.guittot@linaro.org" <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <Dietmar.Eggemann@arm.com>,
	"yuyang.du@intel.com" <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	"preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com" <preeti@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"mturquette@linaro.org" <mturquette@linaro.org>,
	"nico@linaro.org" <nico@linaro.org>,
	"rjw@rjwysocki.net" <rjw@rjwysocki.net>,
	Juri Lelli <Juri.Lelli@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFCv3 PATCH 36/48] sched: Count number of shallower idle-states in struct sched_group_energy
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:13:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150324171331.GH18994@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150324131439.GO23123@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 01:14:39PM +0000, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 06:31:13PM +0000, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > cpuidle associates all idle-states with each cpu while the energy model
> > associates them with the sched_group covering the cpus coordinating
> > entry to the idle-state. To get idle-state power consumption it is
> > therefore necessary to translate from cpuidle idle-state index to energy
> > model index. For this purpose it is helpful to know how many idle-states
> > that are listed in lower level sched_groups (in struct
> > sched_group_energy).
> 
> I think this could use some text to describe how that number is useful.
> 
> I suspect is has something to do with bigger domains having more idle
> modes (package C states etc..).

Close :)

You are not the first to be confused about the idle state representation
and numbering. Maybe I should just change it.

If we take typical ARM idle-states as an example, we have both per-cpu
and per-cluster idle-states. Unlike x86 (IIUC), cluster states are
controlled by cpuidle. All states are represented in the cpuidle state
table for each cpu regardless of whether it is a per-cpu or per-cluster
state. For the energy model we have organized them by attaching the
states to the cpumask representing the cpus that need to coordination to
enter the state as this is rather important to know to estimate energy
consumption.

Idle-state		cpuidle		Energy model table indices
			index		per-cpu sg	per-cluster sg
WFI			0		0
Core power-down		1		1
Cluster power-down	2				0

Cluster power-down is the first (and only in this example) per-cluster
idle-state and in is therefore put in the idle-state table for the
sched_group spanning the whole cluster. Since it is first it has index
0. However, the same state has index 2 in cpuidle as it only has a table
per cpu. To do an easy translation from cpuidle index to energy model
idle-state table index it is therefore quite useful to know how many
states are in the tables of of the energy model attached to groups a
lower levels. Basically, energy_model_idx = cpuidle_idx - state_below,
which is 2 - 2 = 0 for cluster power-down.

An alternative that could avoid this translation is to have a full table
at each level (3 entries for this example) and insert dummy values on
indices not applicable to the group the table is attached to. For
example insert '0' on index=2 for the per-cpu sg energy model data.

We can't avoid index translation entirely though. We need to know the
cluster power consumption when all cpus are in state 0 or 1, but the
cluster is still up in an idle but yet active state to estimate energy
consumption. The energy model therefore has an additional 'active idle'
idle state for the cluster which sits before the first true idle-state
in the energy model idle-state table. In the example above, active idle
would be per-cluster sg energy model table index 0 and cluster
power-down index 1.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-24 17:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-04 18:30 [RFCv3 PATCH 00/48] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 01/48] sched: add utilization_avg_contrib Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-11  8:50   ` Preeti U Murthy
2015-02-12  1:07     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 02/48] sched: Track group sched_entity usage contributions Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 03/48] sched: remove frequency scaling from cpu_capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 04/48] sched: Make sched entity usage tracking frequency-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 05/48] sched: make scale_rt invariant with frequency Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 06/48] sched: add per rq cpu_capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 07/48] sched: get CPU's usage statistic Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 08/48] sched: replace capacity_factor by usage Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 09/48] sched: add SD_PREFER_SIBLING for SMT level Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 10/48] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 11/48] sched: Make load tracking frequency scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 12/48] sched: Make usage tracking cpu scale-invariant Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 14:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-23 19:19     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF8A3E3617.0D4400A5-ON48257E3A.001B38D9-48257E3A.002379A4@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-06  9:49         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 13/48] cpufreq: Architecture specific callback for frequency changes Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 14/48] arm: Frequency invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 13:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24  9:41     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 15/48] arm: vexpress: Add CPU clock-frequencies to TC2 device-tree Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 16/48] arm: Cpu invariant scheduler load-tracking support Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 17/48] sched: Get rid of scaling usage by cpu_capacity_orig Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OFFC493540.15A92099-ON48257E35.0026F60C-48257E35.0027A5FB@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-28 16:54     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 18/48] sched: Track blocked utilization contributions Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 14:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24  9:43     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:44         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 19/48] sched: Include blocked utilization in usage tracking Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 20/48] sched: Documentation for scheduler energy cost model Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 21/48] sched: Make energy awareness a sched feature Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:30 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 22/48] sched: Introduce energy data structures Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 23/48] sched: Allocate and initialize " Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF29F384AC.37929D8E-ON48257E35.002FCB0C-48257E35.003156FE@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-29 15:43     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 24/48] sched: Introduce SD_SHARE_CAP_STATES sched_domain flag Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 25/48] arm: topology: Define TC2 energy and provide it to the scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 26/48] sched: Compute cpu capacity available at current frequency Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 27/48] sched: Relocated get_cpu_usage() Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 28/48] sched: Use capacity_curr to cap utilization in get_cpu_usage() Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 11:36     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 12:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 29/48] sched: Highest energy aware balancing sched_domain level pointer Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 10:52     ` Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF5977496A.A21A7B96-ON48257E35.002EC23C-48257E35.00324DAD@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-29 15:54     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 30/48] sched: Calculate energy consumption of sched_group Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-13 22:54   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-16 14:15     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-23 16:47       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-23 20:21         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-24 10:44           ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:10             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:39               ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-26 15:23                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-20 18:40   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 15:58     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 31/48] sched: Extend sched_group_energy to test load-balancing decisions Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF081FBA75.F80B8844-ON48257E37.00261E89-48257E37.00267F24@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:26     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 32/48] sched: Estimate energy impact of scheduling decisions Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 33/48] sched: Energy-aware wake-up task placement Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-13 22:47   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-16 14:47     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-18 20:15       ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 16:37         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 15:24         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 15:42     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:53       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:47         ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:35   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:01     ` Juri Lelli
2015-03-25 18:14       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-26 10:21         ` Juri Lelli
2015-03-26 10:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-27 16:01             ` Michael Turquette
2015-04-28 13:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 34/48] sched: Bias new task wakeups towards higher capacity cpus Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:18     ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 35/48] sched, cpuidle: Track cpuidle state index in the scheduler Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 36/48] sched: Count number of shallower idle-states in struct sched_group_energy Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 17:13     ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 37/48] sched: Determine the current sched_group idle-state Morten Rasmussen
     [not found]   ` <OF1FDC99CD.22435E74-ON48257E37.001BA739-48257E37.001CA5ED@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF2F4202E4.8A4AF229-ON48257E38.00312CD4-48257E38.0036ADB6@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-01 15:09         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 38/48] sched: Infrastructure to query if load balancing is energy-aware Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 13:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 16:17     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-03-24 13:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 16:22     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 39/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into update_sg_lb_stats Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 40/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into update_sd_lb_stats Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 41/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into find_busiest_group Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 42/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into find_busiest_queue Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 18:04     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 43/48] sched: Introduce energy awareness into detach_tasks Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:25   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 23:50   ` Sai Gurrappadi
2015-03-27 15:03     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OFDCE15EEF.2F536D7F-ON48257E37.002565ED-48257E37.0027A8B9@zte.com.cn>
2015-04-30 20:35         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 44/48] sched: Tipping point from energy-aware to conventional load balancing Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-24 18:47     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 45/48] sched: Skip cpu as lb src which has one task and capacity gte the dst cpu Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 15:27   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-03-25 18:44     ` Dietmar Eggemann
     [not found]       ` <OF9320540C.255228F9-ON48257E37.002A02D1-48257E37.002AB5EE@zte.com.cn>
2015-05-05 10:01         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 46/48] sched: Turn off fast idling of cpus on a partially loaded system Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 47/48] sched: Enable active migration for cpus of lower capacity Morten Rasmussen
2015-03-24 16:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-04 18:31 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 48/48] sched: Disable energy-unfriendly nohz kicks Morten Rasmussen
2015-02-20 19:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2015-04-02 12:43 ` [RFCv3 PATCH 00/48] sched: Energy cost model for energy-aware scheduling Vincent Guittot
2015-04-08 13:33   ` Morten Rasmussen
2015-04-09  7:41     ` Vincent Guittot
2015-04-10 14:46       ` Morten Rasmussen

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