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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Todd Kjos <tkjos@google.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	Steve Muckle <smuckle@google.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 09/16] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: Add utilization clamping for RT tasks
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 16:31:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190124153106.GQ13777@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190124123009.2yulcf25ld66popd@e110439-lin>

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:30:09PM +0000, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> > So I'll have to go over the code again, but I'm wondering why you're
> > changing uclamp_se::bucket_id on a runnable task.
> 
> We change only the "requested" value, not the "effective" one.
> 
> > Ideally you keep bucket_id invariant between enqueue and dequeue; then
> > dequeue knows where we put it.
> 
> Right, that's what we do for the "effective" value.

So the problem I have is that you first introduce uclamp_se::value and
use that all over the code, and then introduce effective and change all
the usage sites.

That seems daft. Why not keep all the code as-is and add orig_value.

> > Now I suppose actually determining bucket_id is 'expensive' (it
> > certainly is with the whole mapping scheme, but even that integer
> > division is not nice), so we'd like to precompute the bucket_id.
> 
> Yes, although the complexity is mostly in the composition logic
> described above not on mapping at all. We have "mapping" overheads
> only when we change a "request" value and that's from slow-paths.

It's weird though. Esp. when combined with that mapping logic, because
then you get to use additional maps that are not in fact ever used.

> > We can update uclamp_se::value and set uclamp_se::changed, and then the
> > next enqueue will (unlikely) test-and-clear changed and recompute the
> > bucket_id.
> 
> This mean will lazy update the "requested" bucket_id by deferring its
> computation at enqueue time. Which saves us a copy of the bucket_id,
> i.e. we will have only the "effective" value updated at enqueue time.
> 
> But...
> 
> > Would that not be simpler?
> 
> ... although being simpler it does not fully exploit the slow-path,
> a syscall which is usually running from a different process context
> (system management software).
> 
> It also fits better for lazy updates but, in the cgroup case, where we
> wanna enforce an update ASAP for RUNNABLE tasks, we will still have to
> do the updates from the slow-path.
> 
> Will look better into this simplification while working on v7, perhaps
> the linear mapping can really help in that too.

OK. So mostly my complaint is that it seems to do things odd for ill
explained reasons.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-01-24 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-15 10:14 [PATCH v6 00/16] Add utilization clamping support Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:14 ` [PATCH v6 01/16] sched/core: Allow sched_setattr() to use the current policy Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-25 13:56   ` Alessio Balsini
2019-01-15 10:14 ` [PATCH v6 02/16] sched/core: uclamp: Extend sched_setattr() to support utilization clamping Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 03/16] sched/core: uclamp: Map TASK's clamp values into CPU's clamp buckets Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 10:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 12:27     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 12:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:34     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 04/16] sched/core: uclamp: Add CPU's clamp buckets refcounting Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 14:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:23     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 16:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 16:33         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22  9:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 10:31             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 15:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:54     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 10:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 10:53         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 05/16] sched/core: uclamp: Update CPU's refcount on clamp changes Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 15:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:44     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22  9:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 10:43         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 13:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 14:01             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 14:57               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 15:33                 ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23  9:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:14                     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 18:59                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 11:21                         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 12:38                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 06/16] sched/core: uclamp: Enforce last task UCLAMP_MAX Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 07/16] sched/core: uclamp: Add system default clamps Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 13:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 14:43     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 15:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 15:41         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23  9:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:19             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 19:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 08/16] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: Add utilization clamping for FAIR tasks Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 10:37   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-22 11:02     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 11:04       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-22 11:27         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 15:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 15:45     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 17:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 18:18     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23  9:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:24         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 09/16] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: Add utilization clamping for RT tasks Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 12:30   ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-22 12:37     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 10:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:33     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 10:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:40     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 20:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 12:30         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 12:38           ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 15:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 16:00               ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 15:31           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2019-01-24 16:14             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 15:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 15:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 16:05     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 10/16] sched/core: Add uclamp_util_with() Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 13:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:51     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 19:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 11/16] sched/fair: Add uclamp support to energy_compute() Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 12:13   ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-22 12:45     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 13:29       ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-22 14:26         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 14:39           ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-22 15:01             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 15:14               ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 12/16] sched/core: uclamp: Extend CPU's cgroup controller Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 13/16] sched/core: uclamp: Propagate parent clamps Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 14/16] sched/core: uclamp: Map TG's clamp values into CPU's clamp buckets Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 15/16] sched/core: uclamp: Use TG's clamps to restrict TASK's clamps Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 16/16] sched/core: uclamp: Update CPU's refcount on TG's clamp changes Patrick Bellasi

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