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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: "Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	Giuliano Pochini <pochini@shiny.it>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Scaling noise
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 21:41:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20970000.1062650495@[10.10.2.4]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030904030227.GJ5227@work.bitmover.com>

> You don't make that much money, if any, on the high end, the R&D costs
> dominate. 

Neither of us have figures to hand, I think. But you seem prepared to
admit there's some money to be made at least. Therefore it seems like
a good market for someone to be in.

> But you make money because people buy the middle of the road
> because you have the high end.  If you don't, they feel uneasy that they
> can't grow with you.  The high end enables the sales of the real money
> makers.  It's pure marketing, the high end could be imaginary and as
> long as you convinced the customers you had it you'd be more profitable.

OK. Suppose, for the sake of argument, that I buy that (I don't really,
but agree it might be a factor). What makes you think the argument is
different for an OS than it is for hardware? For adoption of Linux as
a OS to dominate the market, it's important for the high end to be there 
as well ... pervasive Linux.

Seeing Linux and Open Source in general succeed is important to me 
personaly as a deep seated belief. Maybe from your own arguments, you can
see it's important for the high end to be there, even if you see no other
practical purpose for the machines. I believe there are real uses besides
marketing for it to be there, but maybe you don't need to believe that
to be convinced.

M.

PS. Of course, that still leaves the question of programming approach,
but that's a whole other discussion ;-)



  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-04  4:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-03 17:07 Scaling noise Brown, Len
2003-09-03 17:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:07   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:07     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:25       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:47         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 23:52           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:55           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 18:28       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-03 18:31       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:11       ` Diego Calleja García
2003-09-03 18:11   ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:56     ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-09-03 18:17   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:36     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:21       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:34         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:48           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:02             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  3:46               ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-09-04  4:41               ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2003-09-10 15:02               ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-10 15:12                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-28  1:51                   ` Paul Jakma
2003-09-28  3:13                     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-29  0:47                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22  1:22                       ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22  3:46                         ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  3:16             ` David Lang
2003-09-04  3:45               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  4:51               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:47           ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-04  4:16             ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  7:43               ` Davide Libenzi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-10 15:14 John Bradford
2003-09-10 10:01 John Bradford
2003-09-10 11:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 13:46 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-08  6:21 Brown, Len
2003-09-08  9:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
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     [not found]   ` <rxB3.gg.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <rxB6.gg.5@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <rydL.17V.1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <rGXO.5g9.7@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-03 15:33           ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-09-03  9:41 Brown, Len
2003-09-03 11:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-09-03 11:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 11:47   ` Matthias Andree
2003-09-03 18:00   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:05     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:15       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:15         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:26           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:32         ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:46           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:13             ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:31               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:48             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:21               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:29                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:51                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:46                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:07                       ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  1:06                       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:10                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:32                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  1:46                           ` David Lang
2003-09-04  1:51                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:31                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:40                             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  2:50                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  3:49                                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04  2:48                             ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 17:05                             ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-07 21:18                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-07 23:07                           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-07 23:47                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08  0:57                               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08  3:55                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08  4:47                                 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-09-08  5:25                                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08  8:32                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-04  0:58                     ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  1:12                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:49                         ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  3:15                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  3:38                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-05  1:34         ` Robert White
2003-09-03 19:11     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 19:36       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03  7:10 John Bradford
2003-09-03  7:38 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 11:14   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 20:05 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03  5:02 Samium Gromoff
2003-09-03  4:03 Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  4:12 ` Roland Dreier
2003-09-03  4:20   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:12   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03  4:18 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03  4:29   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  4:33     ` CaT
2003-09-03  5:08       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03  5:44         ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2003-09-03  6:12         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-09-03 12:09           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 15:10             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 16:01               ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-03 16:21                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 19:41                   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 20:11                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 20:36               ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-04 20:47                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 21:30                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03  8:11         ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-09-03 14:25         ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 12:47           ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-03 15:31             ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  1:50               ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04  1:52                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  4:42                   ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:40                     ` bill davidsen
2003-09-04  2:18                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:19                 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  2:35                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04  2:40                     ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04  3:20                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-04  3:07                   ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-08 19:27                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 19:12           ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03 16:37         ` Kurt Wall
2003-09-06 15:08         ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-08 13:38           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-09  6:11             ` Rob Landley
2003-09-09 16:07               ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-10  5:14                 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-10  5:45                   ` David Mosberger
2003-09-10 10:10                   ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-03  6:28     ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03  6:55       ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-03 15:23         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 15:39           ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:50             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  0:49               ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  2:21                 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04  2:35                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04  2:46                   ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04  4:58                     ` David S. Miller
2003-09-04  4:49             ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:50             ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 23:39               ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-03 17:16           ` William Lee Irwin III

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