From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Daniel Phillips <phillips@arcor.de>, Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>,
Anton Blanchard <anton@samba.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Scaling noise
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:35:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8700000.1062642922@[10.10.2.4]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200309040421.16939.phillips@arcor.de>
> On Thursday 04 September 2003 02:49, Larry McVoy wrote:
>> It's much better to have a bunch of OS's and pull
>> them together than have one and try and pry it apart.
>
> This is bogus. The numbers clearly don't work if the ccCluster is made of
> uniprocessors, so obviously the SMP locking has to be implemented anyway, to
> get each node up to the size just below the supposed knee in the scaling
> curve. This eliminates the argument about saving complexity and/or work.
>
> The way Linux scales now, the locking stays out of the range where SSI could
> compete up to, what? 128 processors? More? Maybe we'd better ask SGI about
> that, but we already know what the answer is for 32: boring old SMP wins
> hands down. Where is the machine that has the knee in the wrong part of the
> curve? Oh, maybe we should all just stop whatever work we're doing and wait
> ten years for one to show up.
>
> But far be it from me to suggest that reality should intefere with your fun.
Yes you need locking, but only for the bits where you glue stuff back
together. Plenty of bits can operate indepandantly per node, or at
least ... I'm hoping they can in my vapourware world ;-)
M.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-09-04 2:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-09-03 4:03 Scaling noise Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 4:12 ` Roland Dreier
2003-09-03 4:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:12 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 4:18 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03 4:29 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 4:33 ` CaT
2003-09-03 5:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 5:44 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2003-09-03 6:12 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-09-03 12:09 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 15:10 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 16:01 ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-03 16:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 19:41 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 20:11 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 20:36 ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-04 20:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 21:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 8:11 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-09-03 14:25 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 12:47 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-03 15:31 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 1:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04 1:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 4:42 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:40 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-04 2:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 2:19 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 2:35 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 2:40 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 3:20 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-04 3:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-08 19:27 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 19:12 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03 16:37 ` Kurt Wall
2003-09-06 15:08 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-08 13:38 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-09 6:11 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-09 16:07 ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-10 5:14 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-10 5:45 ` David Mosberger
2003-09-10 10:10 ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-03 6:28 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03 6:55 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-03 15:23 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 15:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 0:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 2:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04 2:35 ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2003-09-04 2:46 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 4:58 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-10 15:47 ` Lock EVERYTHING (for testing) [was: Re: Scaling noise] Timothy Miller
2003-09-04 4:49 ` Scaling noise David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:50 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 23:39 ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-03 17:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 15:51 ` UP Regression (was) " Cliff White
2003-09-03 17:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:53 ` Cliff White
2003-09-04 0:54 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-03 5:02 Samium Gromoff
2003-09-03 7:10 John Bradford
2003-09-03 7:38 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 11:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 20:05 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03 9:41 Brown, Len
2003-09-03 11:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-09-03 11:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 11:47 ` Matthias Andree
2003-09-03 18:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:05 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:32 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:13 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:46 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 0:07 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04 1:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 1:10 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 1:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 1:46 ` David Lang
2003-09-04 1:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 2:31 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 2:40 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04 2:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 3:49 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04 2:48 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-07 21:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-07 23:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-07 23:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08 0:57 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 3:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08 4:47 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-09-08 5:25 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 8:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-04 0:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 1:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 2:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 3:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 3:38 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-05 1:34 ` Robert White
2003-09-03 19:11 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 19:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
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2003-09-03 15:33 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-09-03 17:07 Brown, Len
2003-09-03 17:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:07 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:25 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:47 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 23:52 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 18:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-03 18:31 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:11 ` Diego Calleja García
2003-09-03 18:11 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:56 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-09-03 18:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 0:36 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 2:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 2:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 2:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 3:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 3:46 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-09-04 4:41 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-10 15:02 ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-10 15:12 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-28 1:51 ` Paul Jakma
2003-09-28 3:13 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-29 0:47 ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22 1:22 ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22 3:46 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 3:16 ` David Lang
2003-09-04 3:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 4:51 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 3:47 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-04 4:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 7:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-08 6:21 Brown, Len
2003-09-08 9:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-10 10:01 John Bradford
2003-09-10 11:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 13:46 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-10 15:14 John Bradford
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