From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Scaling noise
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 00:43:56 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0309032245590.916@bigblue.dev.mdolabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030904041600.GA16959@work.bitmover.com>
On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Larry McVoy wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2003 at 08:47:49PM -0700, Davide Libenzi wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Sep 2003, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > > Maybe because history has shown over and over again that your pet theory
> > > doesn't work. Mine might be wrong but it hasn't been proven wrong. Yours
> > > has. Multiple times.
> >
> > Why companies selling HW should go with this solution?
>
> Higher profits.
And in which way exactly ? You not only didn't make a bare-bone
implementation (numbers talk, bullshits walk), but you didn't even make a
business case here. This is not cold-fusion stuff Larry, SSI concepts are
around by a long time. Ppl didn't buy it, sorry. Beowulf-like clusters have
had a moderate success because they're both cheap and scale very well for
certain share-zero applications. They didn't buy SSI because of the need
of applications remodelling (besides the cool idea of a SSI, share-a-lot
applications will still suck piles compared to SMP), that is not very
popular in businesses that are the target of these systems. They didn't
buy SSI because if they had scalability problems and their app was a
share-nada thingy so that they were willing to rewrite it, they'd be
already using Beowulf-style clusters. Successfull new hardware (in the
really general term) is the one that fits your current solutions/methods
by, at the same time, giving you an increased power/features.
- Davide
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-09-04 7:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-09-03 17:07 Scaling noise Brown, Len
2003-09-03 17:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:07 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:25 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:47 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 23:52 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 23:55 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 18:28 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-03 18:31 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:11 ` Diego Calleja García
2003-09-03 18:11 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:56 ` Daniel Gryniewicz
2003-09-03 18:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 0:36 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 2:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 2:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 2:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 3:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 3:46 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-09-04 4:41 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-10 15:02 ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-10 15:12 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-28 1:51 ` Paul Jakma
2003-09-28 3:13 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-29 0:47 ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22 1:22 ` Paul Jakma
2003-10-22 3:46 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 3:16 ` David Lang
2003-09-04 3:45 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 4:51 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 3:47 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-09-04 4:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 7:43 ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
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2003-09-10 15:14 John Bradford
2003-09-10 10:01 John Bradford
2003-09-10 11:35 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 13:46 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-08 6:21 Brown, Len
2003-09-08 9:21 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2003-09-03 15:33 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2003-09-03 9:41 Brown, Len
2003-09-03 11:02 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-09-03 11:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 11:47 ` Matthias Andree
2003-09-03 18:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:05 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 18:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 18:32 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 19:46 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:13 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 20:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 20:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 21:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 21:46 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 0:07 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04 1:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 1:10 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 1:32 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 1:46 ` David Lang
2003-09-04 1:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 2:31 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 2:40 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04 2:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 3:49 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-04 2:48 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 17:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-07 21:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-07 23:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-07 23:47 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08 0:57 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 3:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-08 4:47 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-09-08 5:25 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 8:32 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-04 0:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 1:12 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 2:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 3:15 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 3:38 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-05 1:34 ` Robert White
2003-09-03 19:11 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 19:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 7:10 John Bradford
2003-09-03 7:38 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 11:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-08 20:05 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03 5:02 Samium Gromoff
2003-09-03 4:03 Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 4:12 ` Roland Dreier
2003-09-03 4:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:12 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 4:18 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03 4:29 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 4:33 ` CaT
2003-09-03 5:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 5:44 ` Mikael Abrahamsson
2003-09-03 6:12 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-09-03 12:09 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-03 15:10 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 16:01 ` Jörn Engel
2003-09-03 16:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 19:41 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-03 20:11 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 20:36 ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-04 20:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 21:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-03 8:11 ` Giuliano Pochini
2003-09-03 14:25 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-03 12:47 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-09-03 15:31 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 1:50 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04 1:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 4:42 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:40 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-04 2:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 2:19 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 2:35 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-09-04 2:40 ` Steven Cole
2003-09-04 3:20 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-04 3:07 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-08 19:27 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 19:12 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-03 16:37 ` Kurt Wall
2003-09-06 15:08 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-08 13:38 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-09 6:11 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-09 16:07 ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-10 5:14 ` Rob Landley
2003-09-10 5:45 ` David Mosberger
2003-09-10 10:10 ` Ricardo Bugalho
2003-09-03 6:28 ` Anton Blanchard
2003-09-03 6:55 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-03 15:23 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-03 15:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-03 15:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 0:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 2:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-09-04 2:35 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-09-04 2:46 ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-04 4:58 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-04 4:49 ` David S. Miller
2003-09-08 19:50 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-08 23:39 ` Peter Chubb
2003-09-03 17:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
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