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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Dave Airlie <airlied@gmail.com>,
	Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@canonical.com>
Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom@vmware.com>,
	nouveau <nouveau@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Ben Skeggs <bskeggs@redhat.com>,
	"Deucher, Alexander" <alexander.deucher@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/17] drm/radeon: use common fence implementation for fences
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2014 10:43:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53CE2421.5040906@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPM=9tyD2ZbrcGDC3hfNb7qNdzsfnyD-ZwM7G-nOgxeu5YKuSg@mail.gmail.com>

Am 22.07.2014 06:05, schrieb Dave Airlie:
> On 9 July 2014 22:29, Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@canonical.com> wrote:
>> Signed-off-by: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@canonical.com>
>> ---
>>   drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon.h        |   15 +-
>>   drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_device.c |   60 ++++++++-
>>   drivers/gpu/drm/radeon/radeon_fence.c  |  223 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++------
>>   3 files changed, 248 insertions(+), 50 deletions(-)
>>
>  From what I can see this is still suffering from the problem that we
> need to find a proper solution to,
>
> My summary of the issues after talking to Jerome and Ben and
> re-reading things is:
>
> We really need to work out a better interface into the drivers to be
> able to avoid random atomic entrypoints,

Which is exactly what I criticized from the very first beginning. Good 
to know that I'm not the only one thinking that this isn't such a good idea.

> I'm sure you have some ideas and I think you really need to
> investigate them to move this thing forward,
> even it if means some issues with android sync pts.

Actually I think that TTMs fence interface already gave quite a good 
hint how it might look like. I can only guess that this won't fit with 
the Android stuff, otherwise I can't see a good reason why we didn't 
stick with that.

> but none of the two major drivers seem to want the interface as-is so
> something needs to give
>
> My major question is why we need an atomic callback here at all, what
> scenario does it cover?

Agree totally. As far as I can see all current uses of the interface are 
of the kind of waiting for a fence to signal.

No need for any callback from one driver into another, especially not in 
atomic context. If a driver needs such a functionality it should just 
start up a kernel thread and do it's waiting there.

This obviously shouldn't be an obstacle for pure hardware 
implementations where one driver signals a semaphore another driver is 
waiting for, or a high signal on an interrupt line directly wired 
between two chips. And I think this is a completely different topic and 
not necessarily part of the common fence interface we should currently 
focus on.

Christian.

> Surely we can use a workqueue based callback to ask a driver to check
> its signalling, is it really
> that urgent?
>
> Dave.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-22  8:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-09 12:29 [PATCH 00/17] Convert TTM to the new fence interface Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 01/17] drm/ttm: add interruptible parameter to ttm_eu_reserve_buffers Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 02/17] drm/ttm: kill off some members to ttm_validate_buffer Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 03/17] drm/nouveau: add reservation to nouveau_gem_ioctl_cpu_prep Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 04/17] drm/nouveau: require reservations for nouveau_fence_sync and nouveau_bo_fence Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 05/17] drm/ttm: call ttm_bo_wait while inside a reservation Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 06/17] drm/ttm: kill fence_lock Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 07/17] drm/nouveau: rework to new fence interface Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 08/17] drm/radeon: add timeout argument to radeon_fence_wait_seq Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 09/17] drm/radeon: use common fence implementation for fences Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:57   ` Deucher, Alexander
2014-07-09 13:23     ` [PATCH v2 " Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-10 17:27       ` Alex Deucher
2014-07-22  4:05   ` [PATCH " Dave Airlie
2014-07-22  8:43     ` Christian König [this message]
2014-07-22 11:46       ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 11:52         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 11:57         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 12:19           ` Christian König
2014-07-22 13:26             ` [Nouveau] " Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 13:45               ` Christian König
2014-07-22 14:44                 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-22 15:02                   ` Christian König
2014-07-22 15:18                     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-22 15:17                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 15:35                   ` Christian König
2014-07-22 15:42                     ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 15:59                       ` Christian König
2014-07-22 16:21                         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 16:39                           ` Christian König
2014-07-22 16:52                             ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 16:43                           ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  6:40                         ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-23  6:52                           ` Christian König
2014-07-23  7:02                             ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  7:06                             ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-23  7:09                               ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  7:15                                 ` Christian König
2014-07-23  7:32                                   ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-23  7:41                                     ` Christian König
2014-07-23  7:26                               ` Christian König
2014-07-23  7:31                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  7:37                                   ` Christian König
2014-07-23  7:51                                     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-23  7:58                                       ` Christian König
2014-07-23  8:07                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  8:20                                           ` Christian König
2014-07-23  8:25                                             ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-23  8:42                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  8:46                                                 ` Christian König
2014-07-23  8:54                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  9:27                                                     ` Christian König
2014-07-23  9:30                                                       ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  9:36                                                         ` Christian König
2014-07-23  9:38                                                           ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-23  9:39                                                             ` Christian König
2014-07-23  9:39                                                           ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  9:44                                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  9:47                                                               ` Christian König
2014-07-23  9:52                                                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  9:55                                                                 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-23 10:13                                                                   ` Christian König
2014-07-23 10:52                                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23 12:36                                                                       ` Christian König
2014-07-23 12:42                                                                         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23 13:16                                                                         ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-23 14:05                                                                           ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-24 13:47                                                                             ` Christian König
2014-07-23  8:01                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23  8:31                                       ` Christian König
2014-07-23 12:35                             ` Rob Clark
2014-07-22 14:05             ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-22 14:24               ` Christian König
2014-07-22 14:27                 ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-22 14:39                   ` Christian König
2014-07-22 14:47                     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-22 15:16                       ` Christian König
2014-07-22 15:19                     ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 15:42                       ` Alex Deucher
2014-07-22 15:48                         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-07-22 19:14                           ` Jesse Barnes
2014-07-23  9:47                             ` [Nouveau] " Daniel Vetter
2014-07-23 15:37                               ` Jesse Barnes
2014-07-22 11:51     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:29 ` [PATCH 10/17] drm/qxl: rework to new fence interface Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 11/17] drm/vmwgfx: get rid of different types of fence_flags entirely Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 12/17] drm/vmwgfx: rework to new fence interface Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 13/17] drm/ttm: flip the switch, and convert to dma_fence Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 14/17] drm/nouveau: use rcu in nouveau_gem_ioctl_cpu_prep Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 15/17] drm/radeon: use rcu waits in some ioctls Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 16/17] drm/vmwgfx: use rcu in vmw_user_dmabuf_synccpu_grab Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-09 12:30 ` [PATCH 17/17] drm/ttm: use rcu in core ttm Maarten Lankhorst
     [not found] ` <CAHbf0-HaFi0px7QGfBErKenH7wDU08B5mxo_QhFJdDPC4WBDrQ@mail.gmail.com>
2014-07-09 13:21   ` [PATCH 00/17] Convert TTM to the new fence interface Maarten Lankhorst
2014-07-10 21:37 ` Thomas Hellström

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