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From: Doug McNaught <doug@mcnaught.org>
To: Michael Loftis <mloftis@wgops.com>
Cc: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu, dtor_core@ameritech.net,
	James Courtier-Dutton <James@superbug.co.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Development tree, PLEASE?
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2006 16:40:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87slrio9wd.fsf@asmodeus.mcnaught.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5793EB6F192350088E0AC4CE@d216-220-25-20.dynip.modwest.com> (Michael Loftis's message of "Fri, 20 Jan 2006 14:21:06 -0700")

Michael Loftis <mloftis@wgops.com> writes:

> I think the four digit bugfix only stuff is an excellent step, and
> necessary.  But the thing that I need more is stable APIs (both
> userland and kernel, and at the kernel<->userland interface) *with*
> bugfixes and (hopefully with) trivial hardware support update
> backports, like the replacement e1000 driver.  And I guess I shouldn't
> say 'I' need, but colleagues need.  And it's not just one company or
> one project or one client/customer.  And not all the issues are the
> same, but they come back to needing somewhere that's kept 'dusted off'
> but not rearranged (too?) regularly.

The point is that this is hard work, and not very interesting.
Commercial distro vendors pay people to do it.  If you want a similar
community effort, but you're not prepared to invest time, money, or
leadership, well, too bad.

And your desire for such a project to be "blessed" makes no sense.
Create your fork, maintain it, and see who else wants to use it.  If
it gets enough users and stays useful, I'm sure that it can be hosted
on kernel.org -- that's really the only kind of "blessing" that there
is.

Remember that the people who maintained 2.2 and 2.4 as "stable"
kernels volunteered to do it and put a *lot* of time into it.  It
didn't just magically happen.

-Doug

  reply	other threads:[~2006-01-20 21:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-01-20 15:17 Development tree, PLEASE? Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 15:31 ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 15:59 ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 16:07   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 16:34     ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 17:04       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 16:35     ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 17:06       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 17:31         ` Diego Calleja
2006-01-20 20:43         ` Kyle Moffett
2006-01-20 16:41     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-20 17:14       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:43         ` Greg KH
2006-01-20 20:56           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 21:06             ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-20 23:00             ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-20 23:17             ` Russell King
2006-01-20 23:33               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 23:55                 ` Russell King
2006-01-21  0:05                   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  0:26                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-01-20 23:27             ` Greg KH
2006-01-20 23:52               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  0:03                 ` Russell King
2006-01-21  1:38             ` Alan Cox
2006-01-20 20:25         ` Russell King
2006-01-20 22:05           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 22:54     ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-20 16:40   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 16:48     ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 16:55       ` Dmitry Torokhov
     [not found]         ` <20060120172431.GE5873@stiffy.osknowledge.org>
2006-01-20 17:43           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 17:53             ` Marc Koschewski
2006-01-20 18:00               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 18:06                 ` Marc Koschewski
2006-02-13 17:17               ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 16:29 ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-20 16:36   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 16:50     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 17:31       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:03         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-20 19:10           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 23:20             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-20 23:54               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:21           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:24             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-01-20 20:00             ` Russell King
2006-01-20 21:21               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 21:40                 ` Doug McNaught [this message]
2006-01-20 22:09                   ` Michael Loftis
2006-02-02 12:16                     ` David Weinehall
2006-02-02 18:25                       ` Michael Loftis
2006-02-02 20:10                         ` Dave Jones
2006-02-02 22:05                           ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-02-02 22:10                             ` Dave Jones
2006-02-02 22:19                               ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-02-02 22:31                                 ` Dave Jones
2006-02-02 22:42                                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2006-02-03  1:29                                 ` Roman Zippel
2006-02-03  4:45                                 ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-02-03 12:28                               ` Roman Zippel
2006-02-03 16:04                                 ` Dave Jones
2006-02-02 22:01                         ` Willy Tarreau
2006-02-02 22:31                           ` Christopher Friesen
2006-02-03  5:08                             ` Willy Tarreau
2006-02-02 22:15                         ` David Weinehall
2006-02-02 22:47                           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 20:10             ` James Courtier-Dutton
2006-01-20 20:20         ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-20 21:48           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 22:00             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-01-20 22:14               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  9:22             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-21 14:52               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-01-21 17:03                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-20 21:50           ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  9:13         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-20 16:53     ` Joe George
2006-01-20 17:03       ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-01-20 17:33         ` Joe George
     [not found]     ` <20060120121116.62a8f0a6.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-01-20 17:11       ` sean
2006-01-20 17:56         ` Development tree, please? Michael Loftis
     [not found]           ` <20060120131120.338ebf17.seanlkml@sympatico.ca>
2006-01-20 18:11             ` sean
2006-01-20 18:43               ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 17:11     ` Development tree, PLEASE? Diego Calleja
2006-01-21  1:56     ` Matthew Frost
2006-01-21  3:19       ` Matthew Frost
2006-01-21  7:22         ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21  7:38           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-21 21:56             ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2006-01-21 22:18               ` Lee Revell
2006-01-21 22:40                 ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-21 22:47                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-21 22:51                     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-22  8:57                       ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-22  9:41                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2006-01-22 16:09                         ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-22 22:59                         ` Daniel Barkalow
2006-01-21 22:49                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-21 23:03                   ` Lee Revell
2006-01-22  9:03                     ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-22 17:03                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-25 21:30                         ` Nix
2006-01-25 21:36                           ` Lee Revell
2006-01-25 22:12                             ` Nix
2006-01-26  8:44                               ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-26 21:12                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-26 21:44                                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2006-01-22 17:14                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-22 17:24                       ` Lee Revell
2006-01-21 11:28           ` Jesper Juhl
2006-01-21 18:09           ` Horst von Brand
2006-01-20 17:08 ` Gábor Lénárt
2006-01-21  0:36   ` Michael Loftis
2006-01-20 19:16 ` Greg KH
2006-01-20 19:27 ` Ben Collins
2006-01-20 22:04   ` Vincent Hanquez
2006-01-21 18:29     ` Johan Kullstam
2006-01-23 13:45       ` Vincent Hanquez
2006-01-24 15:35       ` Bob Copeland
2006-01-21 11:41 ` Ralf Baechle
2006-01-21  6:58 Michael Loftis
2006-03-14 13:57 Chuck Ebbert
2006-03-14 14:09 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-16 20:17   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-03-16 20:21     ` Jan Engelhardt

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