From: NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
Mishi Choudhary <mishi@linux.com>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 12:31:50 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhv578jd.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181022224604.GM1617@thunk.org>
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On Mon, Oct 22 2018, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> Neil,
>
> I disagree with your framing, and thus your analysis, and thus your
> proposed solution.
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 07:26:06AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote:
>> If, for example, Linus or Andrew said "if you cannot work with any given
>> maintainer, I will consider your patch directly, but you need to point
>> to where you tried, and why you failed - or to where the promise is
>> inadequate".
>>
>> Currently if a maintainer is rude to you, there is no where else that
>> you can go and *that* is why it hurts. It isn't the abuse so much as
>> the powerlessness associated with it. If you can (metaphorically) say
>> to that maintainer "I don't care about your toilet mouth, you've just
>> given me the right to take my petition to caesar" - then the emotional
>> response will be quite different to pain.
>
> No. That's just not how things work. Patches don't get rejected
> because maintainers are being rude.
Correct. Patches don't get *posted* because maintainers are rude. They
don't get accepted because they weren't posted.
Do you disagree with my claim that the main cause of hurt is
powerlessness?
Without that, we may as well be on different planets.
Thanks,
NeilBrown
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Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-10-20 13:49 [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:49 ` [PATCH 1/7] Code of conduct: Fix wording around maintainers enforcing the code of conduct Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [PATCH 2/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Add document explaining how the Code of Conduct is to be interpreted Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [PATCH 3/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Properly reference the TAB correctly Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [PATCH 4/7] Code of Conduct: Provide links between the two documents Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 13:50 ` [PATCH 5/7] Code of Conduct Interpretation: Put in the proper URL for the committee Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 19:01 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-21 7:18 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Greg KH
2018-10-20 13:51 ` [PATCH 6/7] Code of Conduct: Change the contact email address Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-20 18:28 ` Alan Cox
2018-10-20 18:45 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Trond Myklebust
2018-10-20 19:14 ` jonsmirl
2018-10-21 8:27 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-21 9:23 ` Greg KH
2018-10-20 19:24 ` Tim.Bird
2018-10-20 20:07 ` Trond Myklebust
2018-10-21 0:13 ` Alan Cox
2018-10-21 6:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-10-20 20:13 ` James Bottomley
2018-10-20 13:51 ` [PATCH 7/7] MAINTAINERS: Add an entry for the code of conduct Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-21 21:20 ` Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document NeilBrown
2018-10-21 22:26 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Josh Triplett
2018-10-21 23:37 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 1:44 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 20:26 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-22 22:46 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 1:31 ` NeilBrown [this message]
2018-10-23 6:26 ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23 6:40 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 6:46 ` Dan Carpenter
2018-10-23 3:31 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 4:25 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 4:52 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 5:28 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 6:00 ` Al Viro
2018-10-23 20:45 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-23 8:11 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 14:22 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-23 15:43 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-23 17:51 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-23 21:14 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-24 12:16 ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-25 21:14 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-27 1:10 ` Josh Triplett
2018-10-28 21:48 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-01 16:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:11 ` Josh Triplett
2018-11-02 13:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-01 21:50 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-02 13:33 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03 8:36 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 17:37 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-03 21:06 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-03 22:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-11-02 13:52 ` James Bottomley
2018-11-03 9:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-11-04 10:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-21 22:33 ` Joe Perches
2018-10-21 22:37 ` Randy Dunlap
2018-10-22 9:09 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-22 11:02 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " James Bottomley
2018-10-24 8:49 ` Laura Abbott
2018-10-25 7:56 ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant visionsofalice
2018-10-25 8:19 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-10-25 19:39 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 20:47 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-25 21:41 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 22:12 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-25 22:38 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-25 22:52 ` NeilBrown
2018-11-04 10:47 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Geert Uytterhoeven
2018-10-25 23:06 ` Al Viro
2018-10-26 2:28 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-26 5:49 ` Al Viro
2018-10-27 6:52 ` visionsofalice
2018-10-27 7:32 ` Al Viro
2018-10-27 16:18 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Tim.Bird
2018-10-27 22:09 ` Jiri Kosina
[not found] ` <CAK2MWOtNUTjWy5pTcGco5DNurqNCc=9CfDJ-Ko-K+6HDC55ikg@mail.gmail.com>
2018-10-27 23:07 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-27 23:40 ` Al Viro
2018-10-28 21:13 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-25 23:32 ` Iván Chavero
2018-10-26 13:15 ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-26 15:50 ` Eric S. Raymond
2018-10-26 15:53 ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-26 17:32 ` visionsofalice
2018-10-26 18:31 ` Eben Moglen
2018-10-27 7:12 ` visionsofalice
2018-12-18 18:53 ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant. - Analysis published? visionsofalice
2018-10-26 10:34 ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant visionsofalice
2018-10-29 22:31 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2018-12-18 19:17 ` visionsofalice
2018-10-27 5:04 ` The linux devs can rescind their license grant. - Additional restrictive terms visionsofalice
2018-12-18 20:55 ` The CoC regime is a License violation " visionsofalice
2018-12-19 1:17 ` visionsofalice
2018-12-23 16:05 ` visionsofalice
2018-10-25 22:02 ` Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document NeilBrown
2018-10-25 8:06 ` Pavel Machek
2018-10-25 11:20 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-25 22:18 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-26 8:33 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-26 22:40 ` NeilBrown
2018-10-27 11:49 ` Rainer Fiebig
2018-10-21 23:36 ` Eric S. Raymond
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