From: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2018 14:35:48 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPcyv4g502B4DK9ZVT0m3T-CRAMnZ3+R6v_hPga6mQAtQAGM_A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180109222348.twmw62qwfhefqpoe@treble>
On Tue, Jan 9, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 09, 2018 at 01:59:04PM -0800, Dan Williams wrote:
>> > Right, but what's the purpose of preventing speculation past
>> > access_ok()?
>>
>> Caution. It's the same rationale for the nospec_array_ptr() patches.
>> If we, kernel community, can identify any possible speculation past a
>> bounds check we should inject a speculation mitigation. Unless there's
>> a way to be 100% certain that the first unwanted speculation can be
>> turned into a gadget later on in the instruction stream, err on the
>> side of shutting it down early.
>
> I'm all for being cautious. The nospec_array_ptr() patches are fine,
> and they make sense in light of the variant 1 CVE.
>
> But that still doesn't answer my question. I haven't seen *any*
> rationale for this patch. It would be helpful to at least describe
> what's being protected against, even if it's hypothetical. How can we
> review it if the commit log doesn't describe its purpose?
Certainly the changelog needs improvement, I'll roll these concerns
into v2 and we can go from there.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-01-09 22:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 162+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-01-06 1:09 [PATCH 00/18] prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:09 ` [PATCH 01/18] asm-generic/barrier: add generic nospec helpers Dan Williams
2018-01-06 2:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 5:23 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 17:08 ` Mark Rutland
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 02/18] Documentation: document " Dan Williams
2018-01-08 16:29 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-01-08 17:09 ` Mark Rutland
2018-01-08 21:19 ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 03/18] arm64: implement nospec_ptr() Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 04/18] arm: " Dan Williams
2018-01-10 2:04 ` Laura Abbott
2018-01-10 7:40 ` Hanjun Guo
2018-01-10 17:24 ` Laura Abbott
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 05/18] x86: implement nospec_barrier() Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok Dan Williams
2018-01-06 2:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 3:09 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 23:31 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-07 1:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 21:09 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 23:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-08 23:53 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 5:47 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 12:32 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-06 18:13 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 18:29 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 18:39 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 18:54 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:25 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 19:36 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 19:41 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 10:02 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2018-01-06 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 18:51 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 19:55 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 20:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 20:22 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 21:17 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-06 21:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-06 23:05 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-07 3:38 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-07 6:33 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 19:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-07 20:12 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 20:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-07 20:56 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 2:23 ` David Miller
2018-01-08 7:38 ` Greg KH
2018-01-07 22:15 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 20:15 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 2:24 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-08 9:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 18:21 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 12:00 ` David Laight
2018-01-08 12:12 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 12:33 ` David Laight
2018-01-07 10:08 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 2:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-07 13:59 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 2:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-08 9:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-06 20:42 ` Willy Tarreau
2018-01-07 1:36 ` David Miller
2018-01-07 17:19 ` James Bottomley
2018-01-07 18:31 ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-01-08 2:04 ` David Miller
2018-01-07 19:24 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-09 21:41 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 21:47 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 21:49 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 21:59 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 22:23 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-09 22:35 ` Dan Williams [this message]
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 07/18] [media] uvcvideo: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-06 9:09 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 9:40 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 17:41 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-07 9:09 ` Greg KH
2018-01-07 19:37 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 8:40 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 10:04 ` Greg KH
2018-01-09 14:26 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 14:47 ` Greg KH
2018-01-08 11:23 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-09 2:11 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 08/18] carl9170: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:01 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 14:23 ` Christian Lamparter
2018-01-06 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 16:38 ` Christian Lamparter
2018-01-06 16:34 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 09/18] p54: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:01 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 10/18] qla2xxx: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 9:03 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 9:42 ` Greg KH
2018-01-11 22:15 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-12 7:27 ` Greg KH
2018-01-12 15:25 ` James Bottomley
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 11/18] cw1200: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:10 ` [PATCH 12/18] Thermal/int340x: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:53 ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-01-06 1:57 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 17:24 ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-01-06 10:03 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 13/18] ipv6: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:04 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 14:48 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-06 18:05 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 14/18] ipv4: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 9:00 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 9:01 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 12:23 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-06 15:14 ` Greg KH
2018-01-06 16:29 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 18:10 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:04 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 15/18] vfs, fdtable: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:05 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 16/18] net: mpls: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 10:06 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2018-01-09 3:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09 3:42 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 4:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-09 4:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-10 0:48 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10 1:33 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10 1:57 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-10 2:22 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10 3:07 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2018-01-10 3:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-09 16:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-09 18:01 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-10 0:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-10 1:31 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 17/18] udf: " Dan Williams
2018-01-08 10:20 ` Jan Kara
2018-01-06 1:11 ` [PATCH 18/18] userns: " Dan Williams
2018-01-06 2:22 ` [PATCH 00/18] " Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-06 6:30 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 10:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 11:14 ` Laurent Pinchart
2018-01-08 11:43 ` Alan Cox
2018-01-08 11:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-08 18:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2018-01-08 16:20 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-06 18:56 ` Florian Fainelli
2018-01-06 18:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-06 19:37 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-06 20:07 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-08 4:49 ` Bart Van Assche
2018-01-08 13:33 ` Arjan van de Ven
2018-01-09 19:34 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-09 19:44 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-09 20:55 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-01-11 9:54 ` Jiri Kosina
2018-01-11 15:58 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-11 16:34 ` Daniel Borkmann
2018-01-13 11:33 ` QingFeng Hao
2018-01-09 0:12 [PATCH 06/18] x86, barrier: stop speculation for failed access_ok Linus Torvalds
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