From: Kai Huang <kai.huang@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Cc: seanjc@google.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, len.brown@intel.com,
tony.luck@intel.com, rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com,
reinette.chatre@intel.com, dan.j.williams@intel.com,
peterz@infradead.org, ak@linux.intel.com,
kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com,
sathyanarayanan.kuppuswamy@linux.intel.com,
isaku.yamahata@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/21] TDX host kernel support
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:58:31 +1200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <c90a10763969077826f42be6f492e3a3e062326b.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d98ca73b-2d2d-757d-e937-acc83cfedfb0@intel.com>
On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 17:50 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 4/27/22 17:37, Kai Huang wrote:
> > On Wed, 2022-04-27 at 14:59 -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > > In 5 years, if someone takes this code and runs it on Intel hardware
> > > with memory hotplug, CPU hotplug, NVDIMMs *AND* TDX support, what happens?
> >
> > I thought we could document this in the documentation saying that this code can
> > only work on TDX machines that don't have above capabilities (SPR for now). We
> > can change the code and the documentation when we add the support of those
> > features in the future, and update the documentation.
> >
> > If 5 years later someone takes this code, he/she should take a look at the
> > documentation and figure out that he/she should choose a newer kernel if the
> > machine support those features.
> >
> > I'll think about design solutions if above doesn't look good for you.
>
> No, it doesn't look good to me.
>
> You can't just say:
>
> /*
> * This code will eat puppies if used on systems with hotplug.
> */
>
> and merrily await the puppy bloodbath.
>
> If it's not compatible, then you have to *MAKE* it not compatible in a
> safe, controlled way.
>
> > > You can't just ignore the problems because they're not present on one
> > > version of the hardware.
>
> Please, please read this again ^^
OK. I'll think about solutions and come back later.
>
> > > What about all the concerns about TDX module configuration changing?
> >
> > Leaving the TDX module in fully initialized state or shutdown state (in case of
> > error during it's initialization) to the new kernel is fine. If the new kernel
> > doesn't use TDX at all, then the TDX module won't access memory using it's
> > global TDX KeyID. If the new kernel wants to use TDX, it will fail on the very
> > first SEAMCALL when it tries to initialize the TDX module, and won't use
> > SEAMCALL to call the TDX module again. If the new kernel doesn't follow this,
> > then it is a bug in the new kernel, or the new kernel is malicious, in which
> > case it can potentially corrupt the data. But I don't think we need to consider
> > this as if the new kernel is malicious, then it can corrupt data anyway.
> >
> > Does this make sense?
>
> No, I'm pretty lost. But, I'll look at the next version of this with
> fresh eyes and hopefully you'll have had time to streamline the text by
> then.
OK thanks.
--
Thanks,
-Kai
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-04-28 0:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-06 4:49 [PATCH v3 00/21] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 01/21] x86/virt/tdx: Detect SEAM Kai Huang
2022-04-18 22:29 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-18 22:50 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-19 3:38 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-26 20:21 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-26 23:12 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-26 23:28 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-26 23:49 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-27 0:22 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-27 0:44 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-27 14:22 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-27 22:39 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 02/21] x86/virt/tdx: Detect TDX private KeyIDs Kai Huang
2022-04-19 5:39 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-19 9:41 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-19 5:42 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-19 10:07 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 03/21] x86/virt/tdx: Implement the SEAMCALL base function Kai Huang
2022-04-19 14:07 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-20 4:16 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-20 7:29 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-20 10:39 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-26 20:37 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-26 23:29 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 04/21] x86/virt/tdx: Add skeleton for detecting and initializing TDX on demand Kai Huang
2022-04-19 14:53 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-20 4:37 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-20 5:21 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-20 14:30 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-20 22:35 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-26 20:53 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-27 0:43 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-27 14:49 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 0:00 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-28 14:27 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 23:44 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-28 23:53 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 0:11 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-29 0:26 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 0:59 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 05/21] x86/virt/tdx: Detect P-SEAMLDR and TDX module Kai Huang
2022-04-26 20:56 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-27 0:01 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-27 14:24 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-27 21:30 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 06/21] x86/virt/tdx: Shut down TDX module in case of error Kai Huang
2022-04-23 15:39 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-25 23:41 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-26 1:48 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-26 2:12 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-26 20:59 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-27 0:06 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-18 16:19 ` Sagi Shahar
2022-05-18 23:51 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 07/21] x86/virt/tdx: Do TDX module global initialization Kai Huang
2022-04-20 22:27 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-20 22:37 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 08/21] x86/virt/tdx: Do logical-cpu scope TDX module initialization Kai Huang
2022-04-24 1:27 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-25 23:55 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 09/21] x86/virt/tdx: Get information about TDX module and convertible memory Kai Huang
2022-04-25 2:58 ` Sathyanarayanan Kuppuswamy
2022-04-26 0:05 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-27 22:15 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 0:15 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-28 14:06 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 23:14 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-29 17:47 ` Dave Hansen
2022-05-02 5:04 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-25 4:47 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-25 4:57 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-25 16:00 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-18 22:30 ` Sagi Shahar
2022-05-18 23:56 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 10/21] x86/virt/tdx: Add placeholder to coveret all system RAM as TDX memory Kai Huang
2022-04-20 20:48 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-04-20 22:38 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-27 22:24 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 0:53 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-28 1:07 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 1:35 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-28 3:40 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 3:55 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 11/21] x86/virt/tdx: Choose to use " Kai Huang
2022-04-20 20:55 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-04-20 22:39 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-28 15:54 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 7:32 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 12/21] x86/virt/tdx: Create TDMRs to cover all system RAM Kai Huang
2022-04-28 16:22 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 7:24 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-29 13:52 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 13/21] x86/virt/tdx: Allocate and set up PAMTs for TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-04-28 17:12 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 7:46 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-29 14:20 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 14:30 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-29 17:46 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 18:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-04-29 18:32 ` Dave Hansen
2022-05-02 5:59 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-02 14:17 ` Dave Hansen
2022-05-02 21:55 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 14/21] x86/virt/tdx: Set up reserved areas for all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 15/21] x86/virt/tdx: Reserve TDX module global KeyID Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 16/21] x86/virt/tdx: Configure TDX module with TDMRs and " Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 17/21] x86/virt/tdx: Configure global KeyID on all packages Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 18/21] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize all TDMRs Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 19/21] x86: Flush cache of TDX private memory during kexec() Kai Huang
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 20/21] x86/virt/tdx: Add kernel command line to opt-in TDX host support Kai Huang
2022-04-28 17:25 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-06 4:49 ` [PATCH v3 21/21] Documentation/x86: Add documentation for " Kai Huang
2022-04-14 10:19 ` [PATCH v3 00/21] TDX host kernel support Kai Huang
2022-04-26 20:13 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-27 1:15 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-27 21:59 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 0:37 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-28 0:50 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-28 0:58 ` Kai Huang [this message]
2022-04-29 1:40 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-29 3:04 ` Dan Williams
2022-04-29 5:35 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-03 23:59 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-04 0:25 ` Dave Hansen
2022-05-04 1:15 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-05 9:54 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-05 13:51 ` Dan Williams
2022-05-05 22:14 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-06 0:22 ` Dan Williams
2022-05-06 0:45 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-06 1:15 ` Dan Williams
2022-05-06 1:46 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-06 15:57 ` Dan Williams
2022-05-09 2:46 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-10 10:25 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-07 0:09 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-05-08 10:00 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-09 10:33 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-05-09 23:27 ` Kai Huang
2022-05-04 14:31 ` Dan Williams
2022-05-04 22:50 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-28 1:01 ` Dan Williams
2022-04-28 1:21 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-29 2:58 ` Dan Williams
2022-04-29 5:43 ` Kai Huang
2022-04-29 14:39 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 15:18 ` Dan Williams
2022-04-29 17:18 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 17:48 ` Dan Williams
2022-04-29 18:34 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 18:47 ` Dan Williams
2022-04-29 19:20 ` Dave Hansen
2022-04-29 21:20 ` Dan Williams
2022-04-29 21:27 ` Dave Hansen
2022-05-02 10:18 ` Kai Huang
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