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From: David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Cornelia Huck <conny@cornelia-huck.de>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: VW ELF loader
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 18:30:08 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200210073008.GE22584@umbus.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8993c6b4-2a2c-b7e5-8342-4db480d0af9d@redhat.com>

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On Fri, Feb 07, 2020 at 12:45:20AM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 07/02/20 00:17, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
> > This is a lot and what is exactly the benefit? My alternative does not
> > need drivers at all.
> 
> Anything you put in the host is potential attack surface.

Ok, it is attack surface you're concerned about.  That wasn't totally
clear before this point.

> Plus, you're
> not doing a different thing than anyone else and as you've found out it
> may be easy for block device but not for everything else.

Uh.. was that supposed to be "we *are* doing a different thing than
anyone else"?

> Every platform that QEMU supports is just using a firmware to do
> firmware things; it can be U-Boot, EDK-2, SLOF, SeaBIOS, qboot, with
> varying level of complexity.  Some are doing -kernel in QEMU rather than
> firmware, but that's where things end.

Well, yeah, but AIUI those platforms actually have a defined hardware
environment on which the firmware is running.  For PAPR we don't, we
*only* have a specification for the "hardware"+"firmware" environment
as seen by the OS together.

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  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-10  7:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-01 13:39 VW ELF loader Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-01 19:04 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-02 11:51   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-02 17:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03  1:31       ` David Gibson
2020-02-03  1:28   ` David Gibson
2020-02-03  9:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03  9:50       ` David Gibson
2020-02-03 10:58       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-03 15:08         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03 22:36           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-03 22:56             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03 23:19               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-03 23:26                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-04  6:16                   ` Thomas Huth
2020-02-04  8:54                     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-02-04  9:20                       ` Restrictions of libnet (was: Re: VW ELF loader) Thomas Huth
2020-02-04  9:32                         ` Thomas Huth
2020-02-04  9:33                         ` Michal Suchánek
2020-02-05  5:30                         ` David Gibson
2020-02-05  6:24                           ` Thomas Huth
2020-02-10  7:55                             ` David Gibson
2020-02-10  9:39                               ` Michal Suchánek
2020-02-13  3:16                                 ` David Gibson
2020-02-04 23:18                   ` VW ELF loader Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-05  6:06                   ` David Gibson
2020-02-05  9:28                     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-02-06  4:47                       ` David Gibson
2020-02-06  8:27                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-06 23:17                       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-06 23:45                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-10  7:30                           ` David Gibson [this message]
2020-02-10 10:37                             ` Peter Maydell
2020-02-10 11:25                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-14  3:23                               ` David Gibson
2020-02-10  7:28                       ` David Gibson
2020-02-10 11:26                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-14  4:02                           ` David Gibson
2020-02-05  5:58           ` David Gibson
2020-02-06  8:29             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-06 23:23               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-06 23:46                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-10  0:31                   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-13  1:43                     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-13 10:17                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-14  0:01                         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-14  2:30                           ` David Gibson
2020-02-04  9:40   ` Christian Borntraeger

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