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From: Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
	Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <conny@cornelia-huck.de>,
	David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: VW ELF loader
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 22:51:27 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <94828b1d-fa7d-149e-9eb3-d001d6484489@ozlabs.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e3ee4b4d-1b24-2900-4304-05fa521a9b47@redhat.com>



On 02/02/2020 06:04, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 01/02/20 14:39, Alexey Kardashevskiy wrote:
>> QEMU needs to load GRUB from the disk. The current workaround is to read
>> it from qcow2, save in a file and then call load_elf(). Not nice.
>>
>> 2 problems with that.
>>
>> 1. when load_elf calls address_space_write() - I need to know where and
>> how much RAM was used to mark this memory "used" for the OF client
>> interface (/memory@0/available FDT property). So I'll need "preload()"
>> hook.
>>
>> 2. (bigger) GRUB comes from PReP partition which is 8MB. load_elf{32|64}
>> consumes filename, not a memory pointer nor a "read_fn" callback - so I
>> thought I need a "read_fn" callback.
>>
>> And then I discovered that load_elf actually maps the passed file. And
>> here I got lost.
>>
>> Why does not load_elf just map the entire file and parse the bits? It
>> still reads chunks with seek+read and then it maps the file in a loop
>> potentially multiple times - is this even correct? Passing "fd" around
>> is weird.
> 
> QEMU must not load GRUB from disk, that's the firmware's task.  If you
> want to kill SLOF, you can rewrite it, but loading the kernel GRUB from
> disk within QEMU is a bad idea: the next feature you'll be requested to
> implement will be network boot, and there's no way to do that in QEMU.

What is exactly the problem with netboot? I can hook up the OF's "net" to a backend (as I do for serial console and 
blockdev, in boot order) and GRUB will do the rest which is tftp/dhcp/ip (SLOF does just this and nothing more). If GRUB 
does not do this on POWER - I can fix this.

Or alternatively it is possible with my patchset to load petitboot (kernel + intramdisk, the default way of booting 
POWER8/9 baremetal systems) and that thing can do whole lot of things, we can consider it as a replacement for ROMs from 
devices (or I misunderstood what kind of netboot you meant).

> You should be able to reuse quite a lot of code from both
> pc-bios/s390-ccw (for virtio drivers) and kvm-unit-tests (for device
> tree parsing).  You'd have to write the glue code for PCI hypercalls,
> and adapt virtio.c for virtio-pci instead of virtio-ccw.

The reason for killing SLOF is to keep one device tree for the entire boot process including 
ibm,client-architecture-support with possible (and annoying) configuration reboots. Having another firware won't help 
with that.

Also the OF1275 client interface is the way for the client to get net/block device without need to have drivers, I'd 
like to do just this and skip the middle man (QEMU device and guest driver in firmware/bootloader).

I'll post another RFC tomorrow to give a better idea.


-- 
Alexey


  reply	other threads:[~2020-02-02 11:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-01 13:39 VW ELF loader Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-01 19:04 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-02 11:51   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy [this message]
2020-02-02 17:38     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03  1:31       ` David Gibson
2020-02-03  1:28   ` David Gibson
2020-02-03  9:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03  9:50       ` David Gibson
2020-02-03 10:58       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-03 15:08         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03 22:36           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-03 22:56             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-03 23:19               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-03 23:26                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-04  6:16                   ` Thomas Huth
2020-02-04  8:54                     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-02-04  9:20                       ` Restrictions of libnet (was: Re: VW ELF loader) Thomas Huth
2020-02-04  9:32                         ` Thomas Huth
2020-02-04  9:33                         ` Michal Suchánek
2020-02-05  5:30                         ` David Gibson
2020-02-05  6:24                           ` Thomas Huth
2020-02-10  7:55                             ` David Gibson
2020-02-10  9:39                               ` Michal Suchánek
2020-02-13  3:16                                 ` David Gibson
2020-02-04 23:18                   ` VW ELF loader Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-05  6:06                   ` David Gibson
2020-02-05  9:28                     ` Cornelia Huck
2020-02-06  4:47                       ` David Gibson
2020-02-06  8:27                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-06 23:17                       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-06 23:45                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-10  7:30                           ` David Gibson
2020-02-10 10:37                             ` Peter Maydell
2020-02-10 11:25                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-14  3:23                               ` David Gibson
2020-02-10  7:28                       ` David Gibson
2020-02-10 11:26                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-14  4:02                           ` David Gibson
2020-02-05  5:58           ` David Gibson
2020-02-06  8:29             ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-06 23:23               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-06 23:46                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-10  0:31                   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-13  1:43                     ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-13 10:17                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-02-14  0:01                         ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2020-02-14  2:30                           ` David Gibson
2020-02-04  9:40   ` Christian Borntraeger

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