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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Yan Zhao" <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Auger" <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 1/1] memory: Delete assertion in memory_region_unregister_iommu_notifier
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 10:16:57 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200708141657.GA199122@xz-x1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5004a059-6eb0-4ef3-40b7-94dfbf9ec08f@redhat.com>

On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 01:42:30PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
> > > So it should be functional equivalent to vtd_as_has_notifier().
> > For example: in vtd_iommu_replay() we'll skip the replay if vhost has
> > registered the iommu notifier because vtd_as_has_map_notifier() will return
> > false.
> 
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> - Do we care the performance here? If not, vhost may just ignore the MAP
> event?

I think we care, because vtd_page_walk() can be expensive.

> - If we care the performance, it's better to implement the MAP event for
> vhost, otherwise it could be a lot of IOTLB miss

I feel like these are two things.

So far what we are talking about is whether vt-d should have knowledge about
what kind of events one iommu notifier is interested in.  I still think we
should keep this as answered in question 1.

The other question is whether we want to switch vhost from UNMAP to MAP/UNMAP
events even without vDMA, so that vhost can establish the mapping even before
IO starts.  IMHO it's doable, but only if the guest runs DPDK workloads.  When
the guest is using dynamic iommu page mappings, I feel like that can be even
slower, because then the worst case is for each IO we'll need to vmexit twice:

  - The first vmexit caused by an invalidation to MAP the page tables, so vhost
    will setup the page table before IO starts

  - IO/DMA triggers and completes

  - The second vmexit caused by another invalidation to UNMAP the page tables

So it seems to be worse than when vhost only uses UNMAP like right now.  At
least we only have one vmexit (when UNMAP).  We'll have a vhost translate()
request from kernel to userspace, but IMHO that's cheaper than the vmexit.

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-08 22:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-26  6:41 [RFC v2 0/1] memory: Delete assertion in memory_region_unregister_iommu_notifier Eugenio Pérez
2020-06-26  6:41 ` [RFC v2 1/1] " Eugenio Pérez
2020-06-26 21:29   ` Peter Xu
2020-06-27  7:26     ` Yan Zhao
2020-06-27 12:57       ` Peter Xu
2020-06-28  1:36         ` Yan Zhao
2020-06-28  7:03     ` Jason Wang
2020-06-28 14:47       ` Peter Xu
2020-06-29  5:51         ` Jason Wang
2020-06-29 13:34           ` Peter Xu
2020-06-30  2:41             ` Jason Wang
2020-06-30  8:29               ` Jason Wang
2020-06-30  9:21                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-30  9:23                   ` Jason Wang
2020-06-30 15:20                     ` Peter Xu
2020-07-01  8:11                       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-01 12:16                         ` Peter Xu
2020-07-01 12:30                           ` Jason Wang
2020-07-01 12:41                             ` Peter Xu
2020-07-02  3:00                               ` Jason Wang
2020-06-30 15:39               ` Peter Xu
2020-07-01  8:09                 ` Jason Wang
2020-07-02  3:01                   ` Jason Wang
2020-07-02 15:45                     ` Peter Xu
2020-07-03  7:24                       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-03 13:03                         ` Peter Xu
2020-07-07  8:03                           ` Jason Wang
2020-07-07 19:54                             ` Peter Xu
2020-07-08  5:42                               ` Jason Wang
2020-07-08 14:16                                 ` Peter Xu [this message]
2020-07-09  5:58                                   ` Jason Wang
2020-07-09 14:10                                     ` Peter Xu
2020-07-10  6:34                                       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-10 13:30                                         ` Peter Xu
2020-07-13  4:04                                           ` Jason Wang
2020-07-16  1:00                                             ` Peter Xu
2020-07-16  2:54                                               ` Jason Wang
2020-07-17 14:18                                                 ` Peter Xu
2020-07-20  4:02                                                   ` Jason Wang
2020-07-20 13:03                                                     ` Peter Xu
2020-07-21  6:20                                                       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-21 15:10                                                         ` Peter Xu
2020-08-03 16:00                         ` Eugenio Pérez
2020-08-04 20:30                           ` Peter Xu
2020-08-05  5:45                             ` Jason Wang
2020-08-11 17:01     ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-08-11 17:10       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-06-29 15:05 ` [RFC v2 0/1] " Paolo Bonzini
2020-07-03  7:39   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-07-03 10:10     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-08-11 17:55 ` [RFC v3 " Eugenio Pérez
2020-08-11 17:55   ` [RFC v3 1/1] memory: Skip bad range assertion if notifier supports arbitrary masks Eugenio Pérez
2020-08-12  2:24     ` Jason Wang
2020-08-12  8:49       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-08-18 14:24         ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-08-19  7:15           ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19  8:22             ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-08-19  9:36               ` Jason Wang
2020-08-19 15:50             ` Peter Xu
2020-08-20  2:28               ` Jason Wang
2020-08-21 14:12                 ` Peter Xu
2020-09-01  3:05                   ` Jason Wang
2020-09-01 19:35                     ` Peter Xu
2020-09-02  5:13                       ` Jason Wang
2020-08-11 18:10   ` [RFC v3 0/1] memory: Delete assertion in memory_region_unregister_iommu_notifier Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-08-11 19:27     ` Peter Xu
2020-08-12 14:33       ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-08-12 21:12         ` Peter Xu

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