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From: Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Yan Zhao" <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Eugenio Pérez" <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	"Eric Auger" <eric.auger@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v2 1/1] memory: Delete assertion in memory_region_unregister_iommu_notifier
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 10:41:10 +0800
Message-ID: <2589d0e9-cc5b-a4df-8790-189b49f1a40e@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200629133403.GA266532@xz-x1>

On 2020/6/29 下午9:34, Peter Xu wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 01:51:47PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> On 2020/6/28 下午10:47, Peter Xu wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 03:03:41PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>> On 2020/6/27 上午5:29, Peter Xu wrote:
>>>>> Hi, Eugenio,
>>>>> (CCing Eric, Yan and Michael too)
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 08:41:22AM +0200, Eugenio Pérez wrote:
>>>>>> diff --git a/memory.c b/memory.c
>>>>>> index 2f15a4b250..7f789710d2 100644
>>>>>> --- a/memory.c
>>>>>> +++ b/memory.c
>>>>>> @@ -1915,8 +1915,6 @@ void memory_region_notify_one(IOMMUNotifier *notifier,
>>>>>>             return;
>>>>>>         }
>>>>>> -    assert(entry->iova >= notifier->start && entry_end <= notifier->end);
>>>>> I can understand removing the assertion should solve the issue, however imho
>>>>> the major issue is not about this single assertion but the whole addr_mask
>>>>> issue behind with virtio...
>>>> I don't get here, it looks to the the range was from guest IOMMU drivers.
>>> Yes.  Note that I didn't mean that it's a problem in virtio, it's just the fact
>>> that virtio is the only one I know that would like to support arbitrary address
>>> range for the translated region.  I don't know about tcg, but vfio should still
>>> need some kind of page alignment in both the address and the addr_mask.  We
>>> have that assumption too across the memory core when we do translations.
>> Right but it looks to me the issue is not the alignment.
>>> A further cause of the issue is the MSI region when vIOMMU enabled - currently
>>> we implemented the interrupt region using another memory region so it split the
>>> whole DMA region into two parts.  That's really a clean approach to IR
>>> implementation, however that's also a burden to the invalidation part because
>>> then we'll need to handle things like this when the listened range is not page
>>> alighed at all (neither 0-0xfedffff, nor 0xfef0000-MAX).  If without the IR
>>> region (so the whole iommu address range will be a single FlatRange),
>> Is this a bug? I remember that at least for vtd, it won't do any DMAR on the
>> intrrupt address range
> I don't think it's a bug, at least it's working as how I understand...  that
> interrupt range is using an IR region, that's why I said the IR region splits
> the DMAR region into two pieces, so we have two FlatRange for the same
> IOMMUMemoryRegion.

I don't check the qemu code but if "a single FlatRange" means 
0xFEEx_xxxx is subject to DMA remapping, OS need to setup passthrough 
mapping for that range in order to get MSI to work. This is not what vtd 
spec said:


3.14 Handling Requests to Interrupt Address Range

Requests without PASID to address range 0xFEEx_xxxx are treated as
potential interrupt requests and are not subjected to DMA remapping
(even if translation structures specify a mapping for this
range). Instead, remapping hardware can be enabled to subject such
interrupt requests to interrupt remapping.


My understanding is vtd won't do any DMA translation on 0xFEEx_xxxx even 
if IR is not enabled.

>>>    I think
>>> we probably don't need most of the logic in vtd_address_space_unmap() at all,
>>> then we can directly deliver all the IOTLB invalidations without splitting into
>>> small page aligned ranges to all the iommu notifiers.  Sadly, so far I still
>>> don't have ideal solution for it, because we definitely need IR.
>> Another possible (theoretical) issue (for vhost) is that it can't trigger
>> interrupt through the interrupt range.
> Hmm.. Could you explain?  When IR is enabled, all devices including virtio
> who send interrupt to 0xfeeXXXXX should be trapped by IR.

I meant vhost not virtio, if you teach vhost to DMA to 0xFEEx_xxxx, it 
can't generate any interrupts as expected.

>>>>> For normal IOTLB invalidations, we were trying our best to always make
>>>>> IOMMUTLBEntry contain a valid addr_mask to be 2**N-1.  E.g., that's what we're
>>>>> doing with the loop in vtd_address_space_unmap().
>>>> I'm sure such such assumption can work for any type of IOMMU.
>>>>> But this is not the first time that we may want to break this assumption for
>>>>> virtio so that we make the IOTLB a tuple of (start, len), then that len can be
>>>>> not a address mask any more.  That seems to be more efficient for things like
>>>>> vhost because iotlbs there are not page based, so it'll be inefficient if we
>>>>> always guarantee the addr_mask because it'll be quite a lot more roundtrips of
>>>>> the same range of invalidation.  Here we've encountered another issue of
>>>>> triggering the assertion with virtio-net, but only with the old RHEL7 guest.
>>>>> I'm thinking whether we can make the IOTLB invalidation configurable by
>>>>> specifying whether the backend of the notifier can handle arbitary address
>>>>> range in some way.  So we still have the guaranteed addr_masks by default
>>>>> (since I still don't think totally break the addr_mask restriction is wise...),
>>>>> however we can allow the special backends to take adavantage of using arbitary
>>>>> (start, len) ranges for reasons like performance.
>>>>> To do that, a quick idea is to introduce a flag IOMMU_NOTIFIER_ARBITRARY_MASK
>>>>> to IOMMUNotifierFlag, to declare that the iommu notifier (and its backend) can
>>>>> take arbitrary address mask, then it can be any value and finally becomes a
>>>>> length rather than an addr_mask.  Then for every iommu notify() we can directly
>>>>> deliver whatever we've got from the upper layer to this notifier.  With the new
>>>>> flag, vhost can do iommu_notifier_init() with UNMAP|ARBITRARY_MASK so it
>>>>> declares this capability.  Then no matter for device iotlb or normal iotlb, we
>>>>> skip the complicated procedure to split a big range into small ranges that are
>>>>> with strict addr_mask, but directly deliver the message to the iommu notifier.
>>>>> E.g., we can skip the loop in vtd_address_space_unmap() if the notifier is with
>>>>> ARBITRARY flag set.
>>>> I'm not sure coupling IOMMU capability to notifier is the best choice.
>>> IMHO it's not an IOMMU capability.  The flag I wanted to introduce is a
>>> capability of the one who listens to the IOMMU TLB updates.  For our case, it's
>>> virtio/vhost's capability to allow arbitrary length. The IOMMU itself
>>> definitely has some limitation on the address range to be bound to an IOTLB
>>> invalidation, e.g., the device-iotlb we're talking here only accept both the
>>> iova address and addr_mask to be aligned to 2**N-1.
>> I think this go back to one of our previous discussion of whether to
>> introduce a dedicated notifiers for device IOTLB.
>> For IOMMU, it might have limitation like GAW, but for device IOTLB it
>> probably doesn't. That's the reason we hit the assert here.
> I feel like even for hardware it shouldn't be arbitrary either,

Yes, but from the view of IOMMU, it's hard to know about that. Allowing 
[0, ~0ULL] looks sane.

>   because the
> device iotlb sent from at least vt-d driver is very restricted too (borrowing
> the comment you wrote :):
>      /* According to ATS spec table 2.4:
>       * S = 0, bits 15:12 = xxxx     range size: 4K
>       * S = 1, bits 15:12 = xxx0     range size: 8K
>       * S = 1, bits 15:12 = xx01     range size: 16K
>       * S = 1, bits 15:12 = x011     range size: 32K
>       * S = 1, bits 15:12 = 0111     range size: 64K
>       * ...
>       */

Right, but the comment is probably misleading here, since it's for the 
PCI-E transaction between IOMMU and device not for the device IOTLB 
invalidation descriptor.

For device IOTLB invalidation descriptor, spec allows a [0, ~0ULL] 

" Device-TLB Invalidate Descriptor


Size (S): The size field indicates the number of consecutive pages 
targeted by this invalidation
request. If S field is zero, a single page at page address specified by 
Address [63:12] is requested
to be invalidated. If S field is Set, the least significant bit in the 
Address field with value 0b
indicates the invalidation address range. For example, if S field is Set 
and Address[12] is Clear, it
indicates an 8KB invalidation address range with base address in Address 
[63:13]. If S field and
Address[12] is Set and bit 13 is Clear, it indicates a 16KB invalidation 
address range with base
address in Address [63:14], etc.


So if we receive an address whose [63] is 0 and the rest is all 1, it's 
then a [0, ~0ULL] invalidation.

>>>> How about just convert to use a range [start, end] for any notifier and move
>>>> the checks (e.g the assert) into the actual notifier implemented (vhost or
>>>> vfio)?
>>> IOMMUTLBEntry itself is the abstraction layer of TLB entry.  Hardware TLB entry
>>> is definitely not arbitrary range either (because AFAICT the hardware should
>>> only cache PFN rather than address, so at least PAGE_SIZE aligned).
>>> Introducing this flag will already make this trickier just to avoid introducing
>>> another similar struct to IOMMUTLBEntry, but I really don't want to make it a
>>> default option...  Not to mention I probably have no reason to urge the rest
>>> iommu notifier users (tcg, vfio) to change their existing good code to suite
>>> any of the backend who can cooperate with arbitrary address ranges...
>> Ok, so it looks like we need a dedicated notifiers to device IOTLB.
> Or we can also make a new flag for device iotlb just like current UNMAP? Then
> we replace the vhost type from UNMAP to DEVICE_IOTLB.  But IMHO using the
> ARBITRARY_LENGTH flag would work in a similar way.  DEVICE_IOTLB flag could
> also allow virtio/vhost to only receive one invalidation (now IIUC it'll
> receive both iotlb and device-iotlb for unmapping a page when ats=on), but then
> ats=on will be a must and it could break some old (misconfiged) qemu because
> afaict previously virtio/vhost could even work with vIOMMU (accidentally) even
> without ats=on.

That's a bug and I don't think we need to workaround mis-configurated 
qemu :)


> Thanks,

  reply index

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-26  6:41 [RFC v2 0/1] " Eugenio Pérez
2020-06-26  6:41 ` [RFC v2 1/1] " Eugenio Pérez
2020-06-26 21:29   ` Peter Xu
2020-06-27  7:26     ` Yan Zhao
2020-06-27 12:57       ` Peter Xu
2020-06-28  1:36         ` Yan Zhao
2020-06-28  7:03     ` Jason Wang
2020-06-28 14:47       ` Peter Xu
2020-06-29  5:51         ` Jason Wang
2020-06-29 13:34           ` Peter Xu
2020-06-30  2:41             ` Jason Wang [this message]
2020-06-30  8:29               ` Jason Wang
2020-06-30  9:21                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-06-30  9:23                   ` Jason Wang
2020-06-30 15:20                     ` Peter Xu
2020-07-01  8:11                       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-01 12:16                         ` Peter Xu
2020-07-01 12:30                           ` Jason Wang
2020-07-01 12:41                             ` Peter Xu
2020-07-02  3:00                               ` Jason Wang
2020-06-30 15:39               ` Peter Xu
2020-07-01  8:09                 ` Jason Wang
2020-07-02  3:01                   ` Jason Wang
2020-07-02 15:45                     ` Peter Xu
2020-07-03  7:24                       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-03 13:03                         ` Peter Xu
2020-07-07  8:03                           ` Jason Wang
2020-07-07 19:54                             ` Peter Xu
2020-07-08  5:42                               ` Jason Wang
2020-07-08 14:16                                 ` Peter Xu
2020-07-09  5:58                                   ` Jason Wang
2020-07-09 14:10                                     ` Peter Xu
2020-07-10  6:34                                       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-10 13:30                                         ` Peter Xu
2020-07-13  4:04                                           ` Jason Wang
2020-07-16  1:00                                             ` Peter Xu
2020-07-16  2:54                                               ` Jason Wang
2020-07-17 14:18                                                 ` Peter Xu
2020-07-20  4:02                                                   ` Jason Wang
2020-07-20 13:03                                                     ` Peter Xu
2020-07-21  6:20                                                       ` Jason Wang
2020-07-21 15:10                                                         ` Peter Xu
2020-08-03 16:00                         ` Eugenio Pérez
2020-08-04 20:30                           ` Peter Xu
2020-08-05  5:45                             ` Jason Wang
2020-06-29 15:05 ` [RFC v2 0/1] " Paolo Bonzini
2020-07-03  7:39   ` Eugenio Perez Martin
2020-07-03 10:10     ` Paolo Bonzini

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