From: "Roger Pau Monné" <roger.pau@citrix.com>
To: Bertrand Marquis <Bertrand.Marquis@arm.com>
Cc: Michal Orzel <Michal.Orzel@arm.com>,
Rahul Singh <Rahul.Singh@arm.com>,
"xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org" <xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org>,
Andre Przywara <Andre.Przywara@arm.com>,
Christian Lindig <christian.lindig@citrix.com>,
David Scott <dave@recoil.org>, Ian Jackson <iwj@xenproject.org>,
Wei Liu <wl@xen.org>, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
George Dunlap <george.dunlap@citrix.com>,
Jan Beulich <jbeulich@suse.com>, Julien Grall <julien@xen.org>,
Stefano Stabellini <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
Volodymyr Babchuk <Volodymyr_Babchuk@epam.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 07/11] xen/domctl: Introduce XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_vpci flag
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 12:56:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YWa7eGr3D8Ax8VUX@MacBook-Air-de-Roger.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8F9D6B9C-58CB-4000-995A-95517EE72A3B@arm.com>
On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 09:36:01AM +0000, Bertrand Marquis wrote:
> Hi Roger,
>
> > On 13 Oct 2021, at 09:30, Roger Pau Monné <roger.pau@citrix.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 12:38:35PM +0200, Michal Orzel wrote:
> >> Hi Roger,
> >>
> >> On 11.10.2021 11:27, Roger Pau Monné wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Oct 06, 2021 at 06:40:33PM +0100, Rahul Singh wrote:
> >>>> Introduce XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_vpci flag to enable VPCI support in XEN.
> >>>> Reject the use of this new flag for x86 as VPCI is not supported for
> >>>> DOMU guests for x86.
> >>>
> >>> I don't like this approach, XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_vpci should be set for x86
> >>> PVH dom0, like we do for any other CDF flags when Xen builds dom0.
> >>>
> >>> Things like PVH vs PV get translated into CDF flags by create_dom0,
> >>> and processed normally by the sanitise_domain_config logic, vPCI
> >>> should be handled that way.
> >>>
> >>> Do you think you could see about fixing this?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, Roger.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have one question about this fix.
> >> If I set XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_vpci for dom0 pvh in create_dom0, then in
> >> sanitise_domain_config or arch_sanitise_domain_config I have no
> >> knowledge on whether I am dom0 or not. I can check if I'm PVH but not if dom0.
> >> This would be needed to add a warning if this flag is set but we are not dom0 pvh.
> >>
> >> Any ideas?
> >
> > I've just realized this is more wrong that I thought. vPCI is
> > signaled on x86 in xen_arch_domainconfig.emulation_flags, so
> > introducing a top level option for it without removing the arch
> > specific one is wrong, as then on x86 we have a duplicated option.
> >
> > Then I'm also not sure whether we want to move it from
> > emulation_flags, it seems like the more natural place for it to live
> > on x86.
> >
> > If we really want to make vPCI a CDF option we must deal with the
> > removal of XEN_X86_EMU_VPCI, or else you could introduce an arch
> > specific flag for vPCI on Arm.
>
> First issue that we have here is that there is no emulation_flags right now on arm.
You don't explicitly need an emulation_flags field, you could add a
uint8_t vpci or some such to xen_arch_domainconfig for Arm if you
don't think there's a need to select more emulation. That's up to Arm
folks.
> So I think there are 2 solutions:
>
> - introduce PHYSCAP. The problem here is that it is not a physical capacity and
> I think that will hit us in the future for example if we want to use vpci for VIRTIO
> even if there is not physical PCI on the platform.
Hm, PHYSCAP is a bit weird, for example Xen signals shadow paging
support using PHYSCAP which doesn't depend on any hardware feature.
I think you could signal vPCI regardless of whether the underlying
platform has PCI devices or not, as vPCI is purely a software
component.
Regarding VirtIO, won't it be implemented using ioreqs in user-space,
and thus won't depend on vPCI?
> - introduce an emulation flag on arm. The problem here is that there is no emulation
> flag right now on arm so adding this feature will require a change of interface in
> arch-arm.h and in xen domctl interface. But if we introduce one on Arm, it would allow
> the tools to check if CDF_vpci can be set or not which would solve current issues.
I'm not sure I follow. If we go the emulation flags route this will all
be set in xen_arch_domainconfig, and CDF_vpci will completely go away.
> I think the second solution is the right one but it cannot be done so near from the
> feature freeze.
>
> The CDF flag as introduced right now is not creating any issue and will be used once
> the emulation flag will be introduce. We will be able at this stage to set this properly
> also on x86 (for dom0 pvh).
> Moreover keeping it will allow to continue to merge the remaining part of the PCI
> passthrough which are otherwise not possible to be done as they are dependent on this flag.
>
> Can we agree on keep the DOMCTL_CDF_vpci flag and introduce the emulation
> flag on Arm after 4.16 release ?
If vPCI for Arm on 4.16 is not going to be functional, why so much
pressure in pushing those patches so fast? I understand the need to
remove stuff from the queue, but I don't think it's worth the cost of
introducing a broken interface deliberately on a release.
I think we need to at least settle on whether we want to keep
CDF_vpci or use an arch specific signal mechanism in order to decide
what to do regarding the release.
Thanks, Roger.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-13 10:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 190+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-06 17:40 [PATCH v5 00/11] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 01/11] xen/arm: xc_domain_ioport_permission(..) not supported on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-11 11:47 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:11 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:20 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 13:40 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:57 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 14:16 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 16:32 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 17:11 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 8:29 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 8:41 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 9:32 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 9:38 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12 10:01 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 10:06 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12 10:20 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 10:41 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 10:44 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 14:53 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 16:15 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 16:29 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 20:42 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13 8:07 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 11:52 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-13 8:02 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 12:02 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 9:40 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 10:03 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 14:16 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 02/11] xen/arm: Add PHYSDEVOP_pci_device_(*add/remove) support for ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 0:05 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 12:58 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-21 9:28 ` xen/arm: Missing appropriate locking for the IOMMU (WAS Re: [PATCH v5 02/11] xen/arm: Add PHYSDEVOP_pci_device_(*add/remove) support for ARM) Julien Grall
2021-10-21 13:15 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-21 13:47 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-21 13:52 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 03/11] xen/arm: Add cmdline boot option "pci-passthrough = <boolean>" Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 8:27 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-07 8:32 ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 12:59 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 04/11] xen/arm: PCI host bridge discovery within XEN on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 05/11] xen/arm: Add support for Xilinx ZynqMP PCI host controller Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 06/11] xen/arm: Implement pci access functions Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 07/11] xen/domctl: Introduce XEN_DOMCTL_CDF_vpci flag Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 13:08 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-08 18:06 ` Andrew Cooper
2021-10-08 21:12 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-08 21:46 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-11 9:24 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-11 11:29 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-11 11:35 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 13:17 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 9:48 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-11 9:27 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:06 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-12 10:38 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-13 8:30 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 9:36 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 10:56 ` Roger Pau Monné [this message]
2021-10-13 12:11 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 12:57 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 20:41 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-14 6:23 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14 7:53 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 14:28 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 20:53 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13 23:21 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12 21:48 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13 6:18 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 7:11 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 08/11] xen/arm: Enable the existing x86 virtual PCI support for ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 13:43 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 12:41 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 13:09 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 13:34 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 14:10 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-11 14:52 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 18:18 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12 8:04 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 21:37 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-13 6:10 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 10:02 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 12:21 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-12 15:04 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 16:12 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 16:20 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 17:50 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 10:51 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 16:12 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 16:20 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-11 16:43 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 17:15 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-11 18:30 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-11 19:27 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-12 5:34 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-12 7:44 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 14:32 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-12 14:34 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 8:45 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 9:48 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-13 10:33 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-13 13:00 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 14:51 ` Oleksandr Andrushchenko
2021-10-13 15:15 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-13 19:27 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-14 6:33 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14 7:53 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 9:03 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 9:24 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 09/11] xen/arm: Transitional change to build HAS_VPCI on ARM Rahul Singh
2021-10-11 11:43 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-11 12:15 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-12 1:32 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 10/11] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Rahul Singh
2021-10-06 18:01 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-07 0:26 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 15:31 ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 10:53 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-07 15:29 ` Rahul Singh
2021-10-07 16:11 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-11 13:46 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 17:16 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 14:49 ` [PATCH v6 0/3] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 14:49 ` [PATCH v6 1/3] xen/vpci: Move ecam access functions to common code Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 16:06 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14 17:09 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 6:29 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 7:37 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 8:13 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 8:20 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 8:24 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 9:49 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 23:47 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15 7:44 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 7:53 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 9:53 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 10:12 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:14 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-14 14:49 ` [PATCH v6 2/3] xen/arm: Enable the existing x86 virtual PCI support for ARM Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 23:49 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15 6:40 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 9:59 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:10 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 8:00 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:09 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:14 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:18 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 11:35 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 12:13 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 12:18 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 12:28 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 13:00 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 13:10 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:38 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 8:32 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 8:42 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 9:52 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:13 ` Luca Fancellu
2021-10-15 10:17 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:19 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 10:31 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:24 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:33 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:41 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 10:48 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 10:51 ` Jan Beulich
2021-10-15 11:08 ` Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-15 13:47 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-15 14:00 ` Luca Fancellu
2021-10-15 14:32 ` Roger Pau Monné
2021-10-14 14:49 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Bertrand Marquis
2021-10-14 17:54 ` [PATCH v6 3/3] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl [and 1 more messages] Ian Jackson
2021-10-14 23:50 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-15 7:28 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15 7:41 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 9:01 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15 10:02 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 10:58 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 11:04 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 11:46 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 11:53 ` Michal Orzel
2021-10-15 12:10 ` Julien Grall
2021-10-15 12:14 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-15 12:13 ` Ian Jackson
2021-10-12 15:03 ` [PATCH v5 10/11] arm/libxl: Emulated PCI device tree node in libxl Ian Jackson
2021-10-06 17:40 ` [PATCH v5 11/11] xen/arm: Add linux,pci-domain property for hwdom if not available Rahul Singh
2021-10-13 20:54 ` Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 19:54 ` [PATCH v5 00/11] PCI devices passthrough on Arm Stefano Stabellini
2021-10-07 21:29 ` Rahul Singh
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