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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
Cc: "Zhang Rui" <rui.zhang@intel.com>,
	"Pali Rohár" <pali.rohar@gmail.com>,
	sre@kernel.org, "kernel list" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	linux-omap@vger.kernel.org, tony@atomide.com, khilman@kernel.org,
	aaro.koskinen@iki.fi, ivo.g.dimitrov.75@gmail.com,
	patrikbachan@gmail.com, serge@hallyn.com, abcloriens@gmail.com,
	fabio.estevam@nxp.com
Subject: Re: v4.10-rc4 to v4.10-rc5: battery regression on Nokia N900
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:16:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170127111626.GB5335@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9146145b-7e21-c4de-a9cd-dad7bc74ee7a@roeck-us.net>

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Hi!

> >>That sounds like fun. Changing bq27200-0 to bq27200_0 is Forbidden by
> >>the ABI Police, but taking the entire device away is ok.

Changing bq27200-0 to bq27200_0 is forbidden in -rc6 time. If you
believe noone depends on the name, argue your case, and it might be
possible to change it in -rc0.

If someone uses the name, they care about the device, and you can't
take it away.

> >No. IMO, it depends on if the interface is used or not.
> >If hwmon I/F is used, we can not take it away, nor change its name.
> 
> Even if the use doesn't depend on that name ?

If the use doesn't depend on the name, you may get away with changing
the name. (But not in -rc6.)

> >If thermal zone I/F is used, we can not change it's 'type' name to be
> >compatible with new hwmon API.
> 
> You mean you can not fix the name to be compatible with libsensors.
> 
> Makes me wonder if there shouldn't be a rule that exploits must not
> be fixed if already exploited.

That is not useful argumentation.
									Pavel

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From: pavel@ucw.cz (Pavel Machek)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: v4.10-rc4 to v4.10-rc5: battery regression on Nokia N900
Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 12:16:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170127111626.GB5335@amd> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9146145b-7e21-c4de-a9cd-dad7bc74ee7a@roeck-us.net>

Hi!

> >>That sounds like fun. Changing bq27200-0 to bq27200_0 is Forbidden by
> >>the ABI Police, but taking the entire device away is ok.

Changing bq27200-0 to bq27200_0 is forbidden in -rc6 time. If you
believe noone depends on the name, argue your case, and it might be
possible to change it in -rc0.

If someone uses the name, they care about the device, and you can't
take it away.

> >No. IMO, it depends on if the interface is used or not.
> >If hwmon I/F is used, we can not take it away, nor change its name.
> 
> Even if the use doesn't depend on that name ?

If the use doesn't depend on the name, you may get away with changing
the name. (But not in -rc6.)

> >If thermal zone I/F is used, we can not change it's 'type' name to be
> >compatible with new hwmon API.
> 
> You mean you can not fix the name to be compatible with libsensors.
> 
> Makes me wonder if there shouldn't be a rule that exploits must not
> be fixed if already exploited.

That is not useful argumentation.
									Pavel

-- 
(english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek
(cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-01-27 11:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-23 12:40 v4.10-rc4 to v4.10-rc5: battery regression on Nokia N900 Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 12:40 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 12:42 ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-23 12:42   ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-23 14:20   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 14:20     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 14:19 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 14:19   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 14:31   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 14:31     ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 14:40     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 14:40       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 17:10       ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 17:10         ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 23:26       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 23:26         ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 23:49         ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 23:49           ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24  7:06           ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-24  7:06             ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-24  7:37             ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24  7:37               ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:18               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 14:18                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 17:58                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 17:58                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 18:45                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 18:45                     ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 22:46                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 22:46                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 23:07                       ` Fabio Estevam
2017-01-24 23:07                         ` Fabio Estevam
2017-01-25  5:29                         ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-25  5:29                           ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-25 10:17                           ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-25 10:17                             ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-25 11:12                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-25 11:12                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-25 11:51                       ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-25 11:51                         ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-25 11:51                         ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-25 12:09                       ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-25 12:09                         ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-27  1:37                         ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27  1:37                           ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27  1:37                           ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27  2:03                           ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27  2:03                             ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27  3:39                             ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27  3:39                               ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27  3:39                               ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27  6:27                               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27  6:27                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27  6:27                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 11:16                                 ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2017-01-27 11:16                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 14:13                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 14:13                                     ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 19:06                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:06                                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:06                                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 14:40                                 ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27 14:40                                   ` Zhang Rui
2017-01-27 17:20                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 17:20                                     ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 19:12                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:12                                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:12                                       ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:29                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:29                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:29                                     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27  8:35                               ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-27  8:35                                 ` Pali Rohár
2017-01-27 11:09                             ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 11:09                               ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 11:09                               ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 14:14                               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 14:14                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 14:14                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-27 19:02                                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:02                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 19:02                                   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 11:29                         ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-27 11:29                           ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:10             ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 14:10               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 14:15               ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:15                 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:30                 ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 14:30                   ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24  7:34           ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24  7:34             ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-24 14:15             ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-24 14:15               ` Guenter Roeck
2017-01-23 20:22   ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 20:22     ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-23 20:22     ` Pavel Machek

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