Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Lars Kurth]

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Hi all,

I wanted to make the proposal to archive the following two subproject on the grounds that they completed their goals

a) http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/pvops.html <http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/pvops.html>
b) http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/arm-hypervisor.html <http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/arm-hypervisor.html>

In the case of a) the goal was to establish Xen support in Linux, which has been achieved
In the case of b) the goal was to establish ARM support in the Hypervisor which has been achieved

According to http://xenproject.org/governance.html <http://xenproject.org/governance.html> we would need to perform an archivation review. In this case, the situation is quite clear IMHO and I believe that we do not need to make an extensive case, besides the one above. So my proposal would be to just have a committer vote on these. I would be happy if committers and maintainers listed in a), b) and http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html <http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html> were to just reply with the usual +1, 0, -1 to this thread.

In practical terms, the following would happen. I would remove a) from the website and merge bits of b) into http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html <http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html>

There is no mailing list or repo impact for both projects, as both do not have separate lists.

We would probably archive some pages in http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:PVOPS <http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:PVOPS> - I would need David and Konrad's help for that. Probably 15 minutes should be fine. Maybe in fact it may make sense to rename the Category to Linux.

As far as I can see, none of the pages in http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:XenARM <http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:XenARM> need to be archived. http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Archived/Xen_ARM_(PV) <http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Archived/Xen_ARM_(PV)> is already archived.

We would probably also put together a blog post, once all of this has been done and maybe put together a press release (up to Sarah and the Advisory Board).

Any views?

Best Regards
Lars





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Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Ian Campbell]

On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 17:23 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote:
> 
> According to http://xenproject.org/governance.html we would need to
> perform an archivation review. In this case, the situation is quite
> clear IMHO and I believe that we do not need to make an extensive
> case, besides the one above. So my proposal would be to just have a
> committer vote on these. I would be happy if committers and
> maintainers listed in a), b) and
> http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html were to just
> reply with the usual +1, 0, -1 to this thread.

+1 to exorcising Xen ARM PV, it's just confusing and dead.

My personal inclination is also that the pvops project is "done" and I
would vote +1, but I don't really think it is up to me. If formally I am
needed to vote to get things done then I would vote with the majority
side of David, Konrad & Boris (who I believe are the 3 current Linux
maintainers).

Ian.

Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 12:37:15PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 17:23 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote:
> > 
> > According to http://xenproject.org/governance.html we would need to
> > perform an archivation review. In this case, the situation is quite
> > clear IMHO and I believe that we do not need to make an extensive
> > case, besides the one above. So my proposal would be to just have a
> > committer vote on these. I would be happy if committers and
> > maintainers listed in a), b) and
> > http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html were to just
> > reply with the usual +1, 0, -1 to this thread.
> 
> +1 to exorcising Xen ARM PV, it's just confusing and dead.
> 
> My personal inclination is also that the pvops project is "done" and I
> would vote +1, but I don't really think it is up to me. If formally I am
> needed to vote to get things done then I would vote with the majority
> side of David, Konrad & Boris (who I believe are the 3 current Linux
> maintainers).

+1 for pvops and +1 for Xen ARM PV
> 
> Ian.
> 
> 

Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Ian Campbell]

On Thu, 2015-04-16 at 14:25 -0400, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 12:37:15PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> > On Wed, 2015-04-15 at 17:23 +0100, Lars Kurth wrote:
> > > 
> > > According to http://xenproject.org/governance.html we would need to
> > > perform an archivation review. In this case, the situation is quite
> > > clear IMHO and I believe that we do not need to make an extensive
> > > case, besides the one above. So my proposal would be to just have a
> > > committer vote on these. I would be happy if committers and
> > > maintainers listed in a), b) and
> > > http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html were to just
> > > reply with the usual +1, 0, -1 to this thread.
> > 
> > +1 to exorcising Xen ARM PV, it's just confusing and dead.
> > 
> > My personal inclination is also that the pvops project is "done" and I
> > would vote +1, but I don't really think it is up to me. If formally I am
> > needed to vote to get things done then I would vote with the majority
> > side of David, Konrad & Boris (who I believe are the 3 current Linux
> > maintainers).
> 
> +1 for pvops and +1 for Xen ARM PV

With Konrad and David's +1 for pvops my vote is no longer in doubt: +1.

Ian.

Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[David Vrabel]

On 15/04/15 17:23, Lars Kurth wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I wanted to make the proposal to archive the following two subproject on
> the grounds that they completed their goals
> 
> a) http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/pvops.html

I thought this was closed ages ago.

+1, but I don't actually have voting rights...

> We would probably also put together a blog post, once all of this has
> been done and maybe put together a press release (up to Sarah and the
> Advisory Board).

I don't think we want a press release or anything about closing the
PVOPS project -- it's not been relevant for years and should just
quietly go.

I'll review/update the wiki when I get time.

David

Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Stefano Stabellini]

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On Wed, 15 Apr 2015, Lars Kurth wrote:
> Hi all,
> I wanted to make the proposal to archive the following two subproject on the grounds that they completed their goals
> 
> a) http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/pvops.html
> b) http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/arm-hypervisor.html
> 
> In the case of a) the goal was to establish Xen support in Linux, which has been achieved
> In the case of b) the goal was to establish ARM support in the Hypervisor which has been achieved
> 
> According to http://xenproject.org/governance.html we would need to perform an archivation review. In this case, the situation is
> quite clear IMHO and I believe that we do not need to make an extensive case, besides the one above. So my proposal would be to
> just have a committer vote on these. I would be happy if committers and maintainers listed in a), b)
> and http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html were to just reply with the usual +1, 0, -1 to this thread.
> 
> In practical terms, the following would happen. I would remove a) from the website and merge bits of b)
> into http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html
> 
> There is no mailing list or repo impact for both projects, as both do not have separate lists.
> 
> We would probably archive some pages in http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:PVOPS - I would need David and Konrad's help for
> that. Probably 15 minutes should be fine. Maybe in fact it may make sense to rename the Category to Linux.
> 
> As far as I can see, none of the pages in http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Category:XenARM need to be
> archived. http://wiki.xenproject.org/wiki/Archived/Xen_ARM_(PV) is already archived.
> 
> We would probably also put together a blog post, once all of this has been done and maybe put together a press release (up to
> Sarah and the Advisory Board).
> 
> Any views?

+1 on both counts

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Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Lars Kurth]

Any other votes by committers (in the TO list) before I tally the votes?
Regards
Lars


> On 17 Apr 2015, at 14:26, Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Apr 2015, Lars Kurth wrote:
>> [snip]
>> We would probably also put together a blog post, once all of this has been done and maybe put together a press release (up to
>> Sarah and the Advisory Board).
>> 
>> Any views?
> 
> +1 on both counts

Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Ian Jackson]

Lars Kurth writes ("Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects"):
> Any other votes by committers (in the TO list) before I tally the votes?

+1 to both.

Ian.

Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Lars Kurth]

> On 22 Apr 2015, at 14:04, Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
> 
> Lars Kurth writes ("Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects"):
>> Any other votes by committers (in the TO list) before I tally the votes?
> 
> +1 to both.

We had several +1's and no -1's. So this vote carries
Lars

Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Lars Kurth]

> On 24 Apr 2015, at 16:22, Lars Kurth <lars.kurth.xen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 22 Apr 2015, at 14:04, Ian Jackson <ian.jackson@eu.citrix.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lars Kurth writes ("Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects"):
>>> Any other votes by committers (in the TO list) before I tally the votes?
>> 
>> +1 to both.
> 
> We had several +1's and no -1's. So this vote carries
> Lars
> 

Just as a note, I removed the PVOPS and ARM pages from the Developer menu and http://www.xenproject.org/developers/teams.html and merged relevant content into http://www.xenproject.org/developers/teams/hypervisor.html 

I will do the PVOPS wiki stuff at some point when back from Shanghai

Regards
Lars

Re: Archiving Xen on ARM and PVOPS subprojects

[Tim Deegan]

At 17:23 +0100 on 15 Apr (1429118591), Lars Kurth wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I wanted to make the proposal to archive the following two subproject on the grounds that they completed their goals
> 
> a) http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/pvops.html <http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/pvops.html>
> b) http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/arm-hypervisor.html <http://xenproject.org/developers/teams/arm-hypervisor.html>

+1 to both.

Cheers,

Tim.