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From: Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>
To: Daniel Mack <daniel@caiaq.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Liam Girdwood <lrg@slimlogic.co.uk>,
	Pierre Ossman <pierre@ossman.eu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Matt Fleming <matt@console-pimps.org>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@nokia.com>,
	David Brownell <dbrownell@users.sourceforge.net>,
	Russell King <rmk+kernel@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@stericsson.com>,
	Eric Miao <eric.y.miao@gmail.com>,
	Robert Jarzmik <robert.jarzmik@free.fr>,
	Cliff Brake <cbrake@bec-systems.com>,
	Jarkko Lavinen <jarkko.lavinen@nokia.com>,
	linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmc: move regulator handling to core
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:22:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091203132241.GB31533@rakim.wolfsonmicro.main> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091203131423.GV14091@buzzloop.caiaq.de>

On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 02:14:23PM +0100, Daniel Mack wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:06:27PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:

> > This is historical, they can all be converted to regulator_get_exclusive()
> > so the move to the core (while good) isn't required for this reason.

> Is it? What if you share one regulator for two slots? While this isn't a
> problem I have met in real life, this should still be considered.

I agree, this is a configuration which I have also seen, but there was a
strong insistence that the power off had to function as expected.  An
approach which allows shared regulators is generally always preferable
since it copes with a wider range of system designs.

> The problem I _did_ see, however, was a warning when the regulator was
> marked as always_on in its constraints. What happens then is that
> regulator_is_enabled() will always return 1, causing the pxamci code to

...

> Making those drivers claim their regulators exclusively _does_ solve the
> first problem, but not the latter.

Yeah, there's currently an assumption that the constraints will be
suitable for the driver there.  A driver that can handle sharing should
always cope here, it's one reason to prefer them.

> > >  	case MMC_POWER_OFF:
> > > -		if(host->vcc &&
> > > -		   regulator_is_enabled(host->vcc))
> > > -			regulator_disable(host->vcc);
> > > +		if(mmc->vcc && mmc->vcc_enabled) {
> > > +			regulator_disable(mmc->vcc);
> > > +			mmc->vcc_enabled = 0;
> > > +		}

> > Can the MMC core actually tolerate the MMC power not getting killed when
> > expected?  My understanding from previous discussion was that it wasn't
> > able to do so.  If it is then conversion to using regulator_get_exclusive()
> > isn't desirable, of course.

> I would expect the power to be killed when the last user stops using it.
> Which should result in the same effect if you only have one host, one
> regulator, and one user.

Yes, it's always fine in that case (modulo always_on and/or regulators
without power control).  This goes back to the thing about using
regulator_get_exclusive(), the message given was that the MMC drivers
really needed to be able to guarantee that the power would be removed
when that was requested.

Like I say, if there isn't a *strict* requirement but it's only
desirable (possibly strongly desirable) then your approach is obviously
preferable.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com (Mark Brown)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] mmc: move regulator handling to core
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 13:22:41 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091203132241.GB31533@rakim.wolfsonmicro.main> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091203131423.GV14091@buzzloop.caiaq.de>

On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 02:14:23PM +0100, Daniel Mack wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 03, 2009 at 01:06:27PM +0000, Mark Brown wrote:

> > This is historical, they can all be converted to regulator_get_exclusive()
> > so the move to the core (while good) isn't required for this reason.

> Is it? What if you share one regulator for two slots? While this isn't a
> problem I have met in real life, this should still be considered.

I agree, this is a configuration which I have also seen, but there was a
strong insistence that the power off had to function as expected.  An
approach which allows shared regulators is generally always preferable
since it copes with a wider range of system designs.

> The problem I _did_ see, however, was a warning when the regulator was
> marked as always_on in its constraints. What happens then is that
> regulator_is_enabled() will always return 1, causing the pxamci code to

...

> Making those drivers claim their regulators exclusively _does_ solve the
> first problem, but not the latter.

Yeah, there's currently an assumption that the constraints will be
suitable for the driver there.  A driver that can handle sharing should
always cope here, it's one reason to prefer them.

> > >  	case MMC_POWER_OFF:
> > > -		if(host->vcc &&
> > > -		   regulator_is_enabled(host->vcc))
> > > -			regulator_disable(host->vcc);
> > > +		if(mmc->vcc && mmc->vcc_enabled) {
> > > +			regulator_disable(mmc->vcc);
> > > +			mmc->vcc_enabled = 0;
> > > +		}

> > Can the MMC core actually tolerate the MMC power not getting killed when
> > expected?  My understanding from previous discussion was that it wasn't
> > able to do so.  If it is then conversion to using regulator_get_exclusive()
> > isn't desirable, of course.

> I would expect the power to be killed when the last user stops using it.
> Which should result in the same effect if you only have one host, one
> regulator, and one user.

Yes, it's always fine in that case (modulo always_on and/or regulators
without power control).  This goes back to the thing about using
regulator_get_exclusive(), the message given was that the MMC drivers
really needed to be able to guarantee that the power would be removed
when that was requested.

Like I say, if there isn't a *strict* requirement but it's only
desirable (possibly strongly desirable) then your approach is obviously
preferable.

  reply	other threads:[~2009-12-03 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-12-03 12:46 [PATCH] mmc: move regulator handling to core Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 12:46 ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 13:06 ` Mark Brown
2009-12-03 13:06   ` Mark Brown
2009-12-03 13:14   ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 13:14     ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 13:22     ` Mark Brown [this message]
2009-12-03 13:22       ` Mark Brown
2009-12-03 13:32       ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 13:32         ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 13:40         ` Mark Brown
2009-12-03 13:40           ` Mark Brown
2009-12-03 13:43           ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 13:43             ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 14:58       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-12-03 14:58         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-12-03 15:09         ` Mark Brown
2009-12-03 15:09           ` Mark Brown
2009-12-03 14:27 ` Adrian Hunter
2009-12-03 14:27   ` Adrian Hunter
2009-12-03 14:27   ` Adrian Hunter
2009-12-03 19:20   ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 19:20     ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 19:20     ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-03 20:12     ` Adrian Hunter
2009-12-03 20:12       ` Adrian Hunter
2009-12-03 20:12       ` Adrian Hunter
2009-12-04 11:58       ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-04 11:58         ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-04 11:58         ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-12  0:58         ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-12  0:58           ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-12  0:58           ` Daniel Mack
2009-12-14 17:43           ` Madhusudhan
2009-12-14 17:43             ` Madhusudhan
2009-12-14 17:43             ` Madhusudhan
2009-12-15  5:44         ` David Brownell
2009-12-15  5:44           ` David Brownell
2009-12-15  5:44           ` David Brownell
2010-08-27 19:03 ` Chris Ball
2010-08-27 19:03   ` Chris Ball
2010-08-28 14:48   ` Linus Walleij
2010-08-28 14:48     ` Linus Walleij
2010-08-29 13:27     ` Mark Brown
2010-08-29 13:27       ` Mark Brown
2010-08-29 15:30       ` Linus Walleij
2010-08-29 15:30         ` Linus Walleij
2010-08-31 11:07         ` Mark Brown
2010-08-31 11:07           ` Mark Brown
2010-08-31 12:15           ` Linus Walleij
2010-08-31 12:15             ` Linus Walleij
2010-08-31 12:15             ` Linus Walleij

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